BELOVED YELLOWSTONE WOLF'S KILLING BY TROPHY HUNTER

[shaughn]

As far as I remember these wolves are Grey Wolves, not hybrids...just garden variety..Some also call them Timber Wolves...outside of poisoning there is little chance that you can "Wipe" them out by trapping/hunting/bounty...unfortunately..you wipe out a lot more of the "other" animals in the food chain, wolves are very intelligent, flub a shot or calling situation or a trap set and you can be pretty sure none of the rest of the pack will approach in the same way ever again...

There is no money in trapping the days of 5-600 dollar plus fur prices is right up there with the Dodo bird and the Passenger pigeon. A Prime + Pine marten would bring 400 usd or more when I was learning how to trap 40 yrs ago and one that was recently caught as it had developed a taste for aunties chickens netted 80 USD.

Much of Canada allows the use of Power snares (quick kill type set up), in lieu of soft catch leghold traps, but the concern there is that you can catch deer and then you have to report it..do a bunch of paper work..usually no fine and you might have a CO inspect the rest of your sets to be sure it wasn't intentionally by accident..

 

[mtmuley]

Real funny but I don't waste my time "sitting on a bar stool"

So show some proof of the "hybrid" wolves. mtmuley

 

[shaughn]

unless one tends to study wolves, especially grey wolves...people don't realise that they can easily get to 80 pounds plus and are quite large...color spectrum from coyote color mix to almost black, but more cream browns and grey black..can vary by region and pack.

Hence why you hear "Hybrid" cause people are not familiar with them...to be so big they can't be "Pure"...have to remember...they hunted bison/elk/moose you aren't going to see a dainty coyote charge up to an elk..sick or not..old or not..out numbered or not...and pull it down...an adult wolf with a pack behind them...definitely.

 

[Capt RB]

So show some proof of the "hybrid" wolves. mtmuley

So your assumption is a grey wolf will not breed a timber wolf? I could understand if you said a whitetail would never crossbreed with a mule deer

 

[cousinadkins]

Hi fives and congrats to the hunter who accomplished this.

https://www.newsweek.com/beloved-ye...hy-hunter-just-outside-protected-park-1242406

Congratulations to the hunter job well done.

 

[mtmuley]

So your assumption is a grey wolf will not breed a timber wolf? I could understand if you said a whitetail would never crossbreed with a mule deer

Timber wolves and gray wolves are the same species. A lot of my issue with the "wolf problem" is misinformation. And there is a lot of that here. mtmuley

 

[Capt RB]

Timber wolves and gray wolves are the same species. A lot of my issue with the "wolf problem" is misinformation. And there is a lot of that here. mtmuley

Is it your belief that the sub species that was native to the west is the sub species that the gov't reintroduced

 

[shaughn]

There is the "Mexican" Wolf...but I have not done any research to see if that was a separate species/sub species. There is some cross breading between domestic dogs and wolves and I "think" I have seen reference to Wolf/Coyote and Domestic/Coyote.

 

[Barrelnut]

Wolves can be found in a variety of climates and habitats. These habitat variations are sometimes seen in the type of morphology, or physical characteristics, seen in gray wolves living in different geographical areas. These differences sometimes differentiate types, or subspecies, of gray wolves around the world.

However, these different types are so subjective that over the years scientists have disagreed as to whether in North America alone there are 24 such subspecies or only four. Current workers generally accept five, but a recent article lumped those into four. Subspecies of gray wolves in North America include the Arctic wolf (Canis lupus arctos), northwestern wolf (Canis lupus occidentalis), Great Plains wolf (Canis lupus nubilus), Mexican wolf(Canis lupus baileyi) and the eastern timber wolf (Canis lupus lycaon), which is debated by some as a distinct species, the eastern wolf (Canis lycaon). In reality, any differences among all these proposed types are so minor as to be meaningless except to a few specialists.

https://www.wolf.org/wolf-info/basic-wolf-info/types-of-wolves/

 

[Jr1972]

I get a kick out of it when people say "we're all on the same side" on this forum. I'm on my side, with my own agenda. As is everyone else whether they admit it or not. While I agree the article is severely one-sided and the headline is completely absurd, I feel that the wolves have just as much right to be here as we do. Who are we to decide which animals should live and which should be wiped out? We have the same debate going on in northern Wisconsin. A lot of people hollering about no deer because the wolves killed them all. They don't blame bad winters or disease, it's always the wolves. Best part is there is very little (if any) statistical information to back that claim. At least in Wisconsin. What do the hunting statistics show around Yellowstone? I also know that the whitetail seems to also be expanding in a lot of the west. Yet I haven't seen one person defend killing off all of them? While they don't take down an elk like a wolf does, they ruin a hell of a lot of habitat and will take over when allowed to.

 

[mtmuley]

Is it your belief that the sub species that was native to the west is the sub species that the gov't reintroduced

Yep. mtmuley

 

[NEMTHunter]

Dogs are all in the same Family. BUT there are different strains and kinds of them. When you cross breed them you get a "hybrid". The same apply's to cattle. Cattle are all in the same Family. But when you cross breed to different breeds you get a"hybrid".
The same thing apply to snakes. You mix two different kinds and you get a "hybrid"....



I would say the same thing apply's to Wolves. I am not saying the wolves we have are hybrids. But they are for sure not the biggest kind of wolf.

AS for mule deer cross breeding with a white tail. Well I believe it can happen... Its very rare But it can happen.

 

[shaughn]

Based on the number of deer I have wiped out traveling from Warroad MN - Superior WI - Eau Claire WI - Madison WI and beyond, I don't see a shortage of deer...thank you Roo bumper...

A pack of Wolves will generally do it's best to eliminate Coyotes/Fox/Domestic within it's territory...competition is competition...so in the wild the number or percentage of cross breed hybrids is in very low percentages.

 

[Capt RB]

Yep. mtmuley

If they were extinct from your area where did they get them to restock? Minnesota wolves are barely bigger than the coyotes where I hunt.