I, too, don't care what others choose to hunt with.
Erik,
You better start making space.
Ed
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Erik,
You better start making space.
Ed
Variety is the spice of life. I too don't care what someone chooses to hunt with as long as it is within the regulations in the area they are hunting. There is no logical argument that will convince me that shooting a lower recoil cartridge is not easier to put more rounds on target in a shorter period of time at reasonable ranges. Conversely, I can't logically think that a larger bullet with the same characteristics except for dimensions will be less lethal than a smaller one on a large game animal. I rarely get the chance to shoot multiple times at a game animal. I want to trust that one trigger squeeze will be sufficient at quickly dropping the animal.
Add muzzle velocity to the list of things that I don't understand why we care so much about
Terminal velocity is what decides how a bullet performs, not powder capacity or muzzle velocity. The same bullet isn't going to magically not work because it got started slower. If it works at 2k fps impact out of a weatherby, it works at 2k fps out of a creed/260
Not to mention, you're not doing any long range hunting with a 22 caliber rifle.
FireFlyFishing
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No argument.
More muzzle velocity will achieve greater ranges for the same bullet for the same terminal performance. You can easily look at the ballistics tables to see this correlation. Look at the same bullet in a 6.5 CM vs. a 6.5 PRC with average velocities rom those cartridges and compare the effective ranges. Or, a .308 win vs a 300 WM.
If you're a mono bullet shooter, high muzzle velocity equals better performance and increased effective range. Monos are very dependent on the right velocity IMO.
If you are not using rangefinders, ballistic solvers, and turret scopes in the field, fast, flat shooting cartridges make for easier shots up to a certain ranges (relative to the bullet and cartridge) as there is less bullet drop. Hunters have been doing this for decades with high stepping cartridges. Simply because those gadgets didn't exist until recently. I would argue this still isn't a bad method if you're budget minded and/or you don't want to mess with the tech.
The person I responded to made it clear they were talking about typical hunting ranges and not lr hunting. 260/creeds have perfectly adequate terminal velocity within those distances, and it's why we should be listing terminal velocity with ranges on kills.
The rest of the stuff you said makes hunting without dope easier, but it does not change the terminal efficacy of the cartridge and make it not a big game cartridge
Grey Goast
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Len Backus, please close this subject (Title) out it will never end if you don't.
FireFlyFishing
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FireFlyFishing
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I see what you're getting at. Let's say 200 yards, for example. Not much difference with the 6.5 CM and 6.5 PRC.
akmtnhnt
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Bryan Litz's data.
Even to 400 creed/260 is meeting all the metrics needed for the bullet to perform in tissue. Idk why it's supposed to magically stop working well above its expansion velocity (given you make an informed decision on which bullet you're using and know what it needs to expand)
Teekerguy
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Really? Hmmmm. Looks pretty good to me. And yes velocity does matter. Velocity is what causes bullet upset.
Verified drop data from my 22-250AI shooting 90 grain ATips at 1250' ASL.
At elevation it will be even better.
