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[bigngreen]

I've seen them. Sorry you haven't... but it isn't as if the benchrest crowd is exactly welcoming of new tech. I predict you'll see it soon. Outside of the work I've been doing... I don't see other people trying to demonstrate just how small this stuff shoots. The Foundations are most popular in field positional disciplines. Why F-class and benchrest haven't picked up on them is a mystery only Fudd lore can answer.

Soon, everyone will be running them on everything. The videos I have, and the rest I have planned for the summer will stand on their own. Explanation will not be necessary.

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A large share of BR barrels I've seen are essentially prefit. The BR guys I know will test anything all off season just to try to shave a few tenths, they've tried many things years before someone thinks they stumbled on the latest and greatest, they are WAY more progresive than their reputation is. If it shoots smaller they run it, targets show the truth!!

 

[Lionel Boyd Johnson]

Sent 2 barrels and 2 actions off to a shop and I got a invoice at 600 for each chambering and muzzle threaded $1250.00 shipped for 2 barrels chambered and shipping. I may ask them to just mail it all back. What do y'all think?

My local "friendly" gunsmith just quoted me $500-$600 to fit and chamber a barrel that I supplied to my Remington 700 action. Caliber: 308 Winchester. He has a reamer, and I have one. I think I'll wait for the inflation to subside (I hope, I hope, I hope). -Ed

 

[spladi]

My local "friendly" gunsmith just quoted me $500-$600 to fit and chamber a barrel that I supplied to my Remington 700 action. Caliber: 308 Winchester. He has a reamer, and I have one. I think I'll wait for the inflation to subside (I hope, I hope, I hope). -Ed

Wonder who.............Shippensburg Pa.

 

[bamban]

I've seen them. Sorry you haven't... but it isn't as if the benchrest crowd is exactly welcoming of new tech. I predict you'll see it soon. Outside of the work I've been doing... I don't see other people trying to demonstrate just how small this stuff shoots. The Foundations are most popular in field positional disciplines. Why F-class and benchrest haven't picked up on them is a mystery only Fudd lore can answer.

Soon, everyone will be running them on everything. The videos I have, and the rest I have planned for the summer will stand on their own. Explanation will not be necessary.

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Thank you, please share actual shots of the targets of prefits in those stocks agging in the .2s in benchrest match. The pictures would be conversational pieces for the old farts (I am 70, and the youngest of the regulars) at our club. They have factory rifles who think they can make them shoot like a bench gun.

Well, the F-class (benchrest on the ground) and the benchrest guys not fighting over the stocks is not a mystery to me. The two disciplines are the front runner in the ultimate precision, the latter drove, pushed the envelope in precision. Not talking accuracy.

Whoever markets those stocks should consider getting a prefit and go out there and kick some butts in benchrest matches, then maybe he would get some following from that crowd. The Super Shoot would be great venue, or the upcoming TX Long Range Championship, where some the best F Class guys would be shooting. There is nothing more convincing than the old adage... "show me"

Here is my take universal fit. My brother's VFS gun is based on a glued custom action built by the action manufacturer. When he was ready to re-barrel he asked me to do it, that was about 6 years ago. I did not want to see his rifle till I was ready to screw the barrel in. He provided me the tenon print from the manufacturer. I cut the new barrel exactly to the print. He came over, I unchucked the barrel, unscrewed the old barrel. Remember this a glued action (very common practice within the stool shooting crowd), the dang barrel I did would not screw in. Verified the tenon to the print, all was well. So I called the retired benchrest smith who mentored me in chambering. He suggested instead of relying to the published tenon print just measure the old barrel tenon since it was chambered by the action manufacturer. Well, long story short the published tenon print might be right, but the action could be off spec. Bottom line the actual pitch diameter on the barrel is much smaller than the published print. Then, I had to rechuck the barrel, indicate it again at 2 places, and chased the thread... what a pain. Can't test fit a glued action.

Moral of the story -- varying manufacturing tolerances may negate the universality of application.

 

[orkan]

Thank you, please share actual shots of the targets of prefits in those stocks agging in the .2s in benchrest match. The pictures would be conversational pieces for the old farts (I am 70, and the youngest of the regulars) at our club. They have factory rifles who think they can make them shoot like a bench gun.

Well, the F-class (benchrest on the ground) and the benchrest guys not fighting over the stocks is not a mystery to me. The two disciplines are the front runner in the ultimate precision, the latter drove, pushed the envelope in precision. Not talking accuracy.

Whoever markets those stocks should consider getting a prefit and go out there and kick some butts in benchrest matches, then maybe he would get some following from that crowd. The Super Shoot would be great venue, or the upcoming TX Long Range Championship, where some the best F Class guys would be shooting. There is nothing more convincing than the old adage... "show me"

Here is my take universal fit. My brother's VFS gun is based on a glued custom action built by the action manufacturer. When he was ready to re-barrel he asked me to do it, that was about 6 years ago. I did not want to see his rifle till I was ready to screw the barrel in. He provided me the tenon print from the manufacturer. I cut the new barrel exactly to the print. He came over, I unchucked the barrel, unscrewed the old barrel. Remember this a glued action (very common practice within the stool shooting crowd), the dang barrel I did would not screw in. Verified the tenon to the print, all was well. So I called the retired benchrest smith who mentored me in chambering. He suggested instead of relying to the published tenon print just measure the old barrel tenon since it was chambered by the action manufacturer. Well, long story short the published tenon print might be right, but the action could be off spec. Bottom line the actual pitch diameter on the barrel is much smaller than the published print. Then, I had to rechuck the barrel, indicate it again at 2 places, and chased the thread... what a pain. Can't test fit a glued action.

Moral of the story -- varying manufacturing tolerances may negate the universality of application.

I'll let you grab some first hand experience before I continue the debate. If you ever find yourself in northwest south dakota, you can drop by and we'll do some shooting with all the prefit barrels and stocks with no bedding you like.

Until then, only one of us has experience with the product we're discussing, and that's not a fair playing field for you.


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[bamban]

I'll let you grab some first hand experience before I continue the debate. If you ever find yourself in northwest south dakota, you can drop by and we'll do some shooting with all the prefit barrels and stocks with no bedding you like.

Until then, only one of us has experience with the product we're discussing, and that's not a fair playing field for you.


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Thank you, not starting a debate. I thought I made some non argumentive requests and suggestions.

I may take you up on your offer. Wife wants to go on another month long driving vacation with no plans, no specific destinations, other than she just wants to sample some good restaurants in Utah and Idaho. How we get there is open for spontaneous decisions. We drove around in your neck of the woods in 2013, we can add that route on this upcoming trip.

All is well, bud. Cheers.

 

[Apex Custom Rifles]

If you have never had a chance to talk to a good BR shooter I suggest you do. Even if you are a seasoned shooters in another discipline, I can almost gaurantee you will learn something. If it don't work, they won't use it! I was lucky enough to learn barrel work from a long time BR shooter and BR rifle builder. You would be surprised how some of those .1 and .2" grouping rifles were built. And thats an everyday. 2" gun, and not "on a good day".

Foundation stocks are great for certain disciplines, and they are very nicely machined, but they have been around long enough that if they were BR quality, they would be using them. BR is basically the gold standard for accuacy and precision.

I know some pre-fits can shoot exceptionally well, but depends on what you need out of it. All pre-fits are not the same ether.

 

[UncleDano]

One question - Why did you not ask for a quote or estimate before you shipped it?
No surprises that way.

 

[UncleDano]

If you are my age, you might want to call and ask for a "senior shooter discount".

 

[orkan]

if they were BR quality, they would be using them.

"They" ARE... and it's unfortunate that some of you don't know that.

 

[bigngreen]

"They" ARE... and it's unfortunate that some of you don't know that.

Have they put some BR models into some top shooters hands, nothing on the web site is configured correctly to run in a 1000 yard match. Right now what I see on the web site would not even be competitive due to the forend and bottom of the back end, that stock would not track or set a bag worth a hill of beans.

 

[bultinkle]

@Alex Wheeler

How are they doing at deep creek?

 

[orkan]

Have they put some BR models into some top shooters hands, nothing on the web site is configured correctly to run in a 1000 yard match. Right now what I see on the web site would not even be competitive due to the forend and bottom of the back end, that stock would not track or set a bag worth a hill of beans.

They are being used with custom anschutz rail blocks. Stocks can be ordered without the bag hook, providing an excellent bag rider.

 

[bamban]

"They" ARE... and it's unfortunate that some of you don't know that.

Your website (I just checked it out a moment) shows PRS shooters.

This venue might be a good one to attend just to showcase your stocks to the top benchrest shooters in the country.

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Maybe in the coming years Supper Shoot might really move to TX. If your stocks take a good following with the stool shooter crowd, maybe I will get to see them in action.

I've been away from benchrest, the last big match I shot in was the Crawfish Nationals in 87. The stock makers back then dont even show up in the top finishers today. I can attribute that to evolution in technology, and stock making techniques. I don't recognize any of these makers, maybe someday your stocks will show up. Just like in any competition everyone wants to use what the winners use.

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