hammertyme
Well-Known Member
I have taken black bear with a number of handguns with the first taking 3 shots from a 357 Mag 4". Heavy loaded 160gr hardcast. Reaction one the first shot was scared. Second shot was angry and third shot was down and out. Second bear was with a 44 Mag and just the surface difference between the 44 over the 357, the first shot was a visual reaction and there wasn't need for a second. The fight was gone. 338 Gibbs and it was lights out period. 12 gauge slug and it was lights out period.
I am with J E regarding semi-auto's with the exception that I carried a number of tuned 1911's for work for twenty years. Cocked and loacked is the only way to carry a 1911. Never had one fail to fire at any time. I use to compete in every handgun discipline and use to fire 1000 rounds and better each and every month for years.
I and my wife both carry 1911's converted to the 460 Roland for several reason's.
1. Follow up shots are right there. Lisa loves to play with the 460 and refuses to shoot my 4" 44 with anything but factory 44 special type loads.
2. It has true 44 mag ballistics and after I stood 12 feet from a really angry momma Brown Bear with two very little guys, 700 pounds of hell on 4 legs is a really fast way to ruin one's day. SO power with controlablity are job one.
3. With eight rounds ready to chop meat and another two magazines ready for action in moments, its a simply scenario- pull,click safety while acquiring target,pull trigger.
4. My wife is a tiny little 5'2" lady and like me hates the soreness and discomfort of that cylender riding under her bicep all day. The 1911 is flat, not heavy and with foward draw holster, is ready for action in a micro-second.
I would go as far as to recommend the Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 special as a better way to go than the 357 Mag. Like with anything else. If you do not practice every week or two its a waste of money to carry anything. One might as well leave all guns home because bear are illiterate. They do not know how truely awesome the power your gun might have if discharged. In the moments you have during a bear attack one must know what to do without thinking. Regardless of weapon. If you can not pull and shoot hitting a paper plate in two seconds then you had better hope and pray that they stop and start popping their teeth. Yes they do but not always. Then if you can not visualize the extreme life or death drama and nerves involved with,during and after this type of encounter then take my word for it. I have been there a number of times. If you are not practiced then?
Here is a real world story for you to think about. Two Dad's and two 12 year old son's walking down a longing road deer hunting. SOns are thirty feet behind dad's when Dad # 1 hear's a terrified DDDAAADDDD! Both fathers spin in unison and have time to flip and fire their 300 mags from their hips. L:iterally knocking an old sow brown bear sideways or she would have hit one of them. SHe skidded 12 feet past and was coming back when they re-chambered a live round and both put bullets in her head at 5 feet!
Elapsed time---------- 2 seconds!
Neal
I am with J E regarding semi-auto's with the exception that I carried a number of tuned 1911's for work for twenty years. Cocked and loacked is the only way to carry a 1911. Never had one fail to fire at any time. I use to compete in every handgun discipline and use to fire 1000 rounds and better each and every month for years.
I and my wife both carry 1911's converted to the 460 Roland for several reason's.
1. Follow up shots are right there. Lisa loves to play with the 460 and refuses to shoot my 4" 44 with anything but factory 44 special type loads.
2. It has true 44 mag ballistics and after I stood 12 feet from a really angry momma Brown Bear with two very little guys, 700 pounds of hell on 4 legs is a really fast way to ruin one's day. SO power with controlablity are job one.
3. With eight rounds ready to chop meat and another two magazines ready for action in moments, its a simply scenario- pull,click safety while acquiring target,pull trigger.
4. My wife is a tiny little 5'2" lady and like me hates the soreness and discomfort of that cylender riding under her bicep all day. The 1911 is flat, not heavy and with foward draw holster, is ready for action in a micro-second.
I would go as far as to recommend the Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 special as a better way to go than the 357 Mag. Like with anything else. If you do not practice every week or two its a waste of money to carry anything. One might as well leave all guns home because bear are illiterate. They do not know how truely awesome the power your gun might have if discharged. In the moments you have during a bear attack one must know what to do without thinking. Regardless of weapon. If you can not pull and shoot hitting a paper plate in two seconds then you had better hope and pray that they stop and start popping their teeth. Yes they do but not always. Then if you can not visualize the extreme life or death drama and nerves involved with,during and after this type of encounter then take my word for it. I have been there a number of times. If you are not practiced then?
Here is a real world story for you to think about. Two Dad's and two 12 year old son's walking down a longing road deer hunting. SOns are thirty feet behind dad's when Dad # 1 hear's a terrified DDDAAADDDD! Both fathers spin in unison and have time to flip and fire their 300 mags from their hips. L:iterally knocking an old sow brown bear sideways or she would have hit one of them. SHe skidded 12 feet past and was coming back when they re-chambered a live round and both put bullets in her head at 5 feet!
Elapsed time---------- 2 seconds!
Neal
I'm betting stamina and adrenaline. LOL
