30 NOSLER OR 300 PRC

[gregsjt]

Correct. Dave Tooley has been working on the "300 PRC" under a few different names and if I am not mistaken was working with Hornady most of if not the entire time. It got put on hold for several years for various reasons. If I remember correctly form what George Gardner said the 6.5 prc was from a combination of trying to meet a standard chamber design while meeting PRS requirements. I am not really sure why the history pertains to this cartridge discussion. I like the idea of both cartridges. I would have been nearly as happy just to see someone legitimize the 30 Newton.

I think that is exactly what the 300 PRC is, a modern version of the 30 Newton.

If people had been paying attention 100 years ago we wouldn't have to have this discussion. The 30 Newton would be the standard 30 cal magnum and we wouldn't have needed the 300 H&H or the 300 WM or all the others that came later. Funny how nothing is really ever new.

 

[MudRunner2005]

There are varying checks and balances in place when it comes to DOD competitive sourcing (inherently governmental and/or commercial activities), esp. those under OMB A-76 Circular. This is based on real world experience, NOT internet experience.

I forgot Ed, you know my entire life story and everything I've done...Because you were there the whole time...

 

[FEENIX]

I forgot Ed, you know my entire life story and everything I've done...Because you were there the whole time...

WTH are you mumbling now?

 

[MudRunner2005]

WTH are you mumbling now?

Keep playing off that passive-aggressive crap...

 

[FEENIX]

Keep playing off that passive-aggressive crap...

A-76 is part of my job competency and have been doing it since 1996. So what's your point?

 

[DJ Fergus]

Politics aside, Can someone with hands on experience with either 300 norma or 300 prc tell me which of these two will most likely have the widest nodes? I'm not so concerned with velocity, both have plenty. I'm not so concerned with price of build or price of cartridge components. I want the widest nodes, easy load development, & day in day out consistency. And I'm probably not going to be shooting at 80 degree angles of elevation. Is there really a documented issue shooting at reasonable angles of elevation with the 300 Norma?

 

[FURMAN]

Plenty of information on the 300 Norma from those shooting them. You are going to be hard pressed to find anyone shooting a PRC. I have a barrel getting spun up right now as I said earlier. If you want close look around this forum for the 30-375.

 

[Weatherby Fan]

Politics aside, Can someone with hands on experience with either 300 norma or 300 prc tell me which of these two will most likely have the widest nodes? I'm not so concerned with velocity, both have plenty. I'm not so concerned with price of build or price of cartridge components. I want the widest nodes, easy load development, & day in day out consistency. And I'm probably not going to be shooting at 80 degree angles of elevation. Is there really a documented issue shooting at reasonable angles of elevation with the 300 Norma?

There is some info on Accurate Shooters forum on this thread,300-prc.3959420

 

[FURMAN]

Yes, That is why I said google Frank earlier.

 

[Weatherby Fan]

Here's another great article on the benefits of the 300 PRC (30-375R), overall its a very sensible cartridge design.
300-prc-ballistics-and-comparisons

 

[L.Sherm]

I found it interesting that Frank did not comment on the hornady brass when asked, only talked about vertical unless I missed it. I'm not happy with the Nosler either. That is my biggest complaint with Hornady dies and brass.

 

[DJ Fergus]

I've read just about every bit of info there is online about the 300 Norma. Every single owner of a 300Nm praises it for accuracy & wide nodes. The gun writers who don't seem to own a 300Nm explaines how 30 nosler is better, now their on a bandwagon of how 300 prc is better. I'm totally open minded but I can see there is a lot of fluff & hype in all directions. 300 prc is designed right. 300 Noma is designed right. Negatives on 300 norma = bolt face diameter is not so standard & less barrel life. I can live with that if the round is consistent. Any other negatives from someone who has owned a 300nm?
300 prc negatives: soley being dependant on hornady brass for several years or more. No other negatives we know of until some average consumers like ourselves spends time loading & shooting in 300 prc. There may be no other negatives, time will tell. The reason I'm even posting here is because I'll building one of these two. Previously, I was determined to build based on a round with lapua brass availability. Is 300 prc worth it over the 300 norma to get past my frustrations with run of the mill brass? 300 prc may be the best round ever perceived but it's going to take more time for me to decide between 300 norma & 300 prc. I've owned 3 6.5 creedmoors. I like them alot, but some how alot of common hunters & sporting goods store salesmen think that it out performs just about every other round that's ever been developed in terms of trajectory wind drift & terminal performance. How did they get those ideas? Great marketing is how they got those ideas. Is 6.5 cm a great round that's easy to load accurately, bucks wind, and delivers good down range energy for caliber size? Absolutely! Time has told all of those things to be true but it's still over estimated in the minds of alot of people. What has me puzzled right now is the fact that 300 Norma is praised highly from experienced owners but talked down by internet expert article writers who doesn't own one & 300 prc is touted to out perform 300 nm by people in the industry & tied to writing articles for the industry. I'm not insinuating at all the 300 prc isn't a great round. Why all the naysayers for the 300 Norma though? What do those same guys have to say for 6.5x47 lapua vs 6.5 creedmoor. I wish they would tell me which one is better.

 

[L.Sherm]

I believe they gun writers poo poo the 300NM is because theres hardly any factory actions that have the bolt face for them, remember they get paid to write about factory chamberings more often than not.

 

[L.Sherm]

The Lapua boltface is the only reason I dont build myself a 300NM improved and run 230 bergers. The availability of Peterson and Lapua brass really make it appealing.