30 NOSLER OR 300 PRC

[FURMAN]

The 30 Nosler with with ADG brass would be on top.

Explain adg to me. Obviously you can buy what you want but Nosler brass is just as consistent but last longer in the Win Mag. Yes I've tested. It also didn't last longer than other brass in the Creedmoor. Have you tested in other cartridges? Really interested in your reasoning.

 

[DJ Fergus]

I can attest to consistency in nosler brass in 300 wm & 7mm RM. Increased case capacity for sure in 300 wm. Case life is not the best but I've saw worse. I can get to 2940 fps in 300 wm nosler brass with 208 eld's seated out around 3.6" oal, on the edge of max press.

 

[L.Sherm]

It's not the consistency with Nosler brass that's the problem it's the primer pockets in there 28 and 30 I have a problem with.

 

[FURMAN]

It's not the consistency with Nosler brass that's the problem it's the primer pockets in there 28 and 30 I have a problem with.

Ya I get that. Read my post. ADG primer pockets hold up even less in the 300 WM and Creedmoor so I asked why would you think it would be different in the Nosler. I will also repeat I have 6 reloadings on my 30 and they are still tight. I have primer pocket go nogo gauges. I will repeat it again. I have 300 win mag nosler brass. I have 300 win mag adg brass. The Nosler last longer than adg. I have adg creed moor brass and it last the exact same as all but the Peterson and Lapua small primer brass. So let me also repeat why would you think 30 Nosler ADG is going to be different?

It seems as if this forum is growing in the number of individuals that are quick to give answers they really have no personally data for and that after someone already gave factual data for.

Since we are talking about it I never found the end of my 28 nosler brass life while I had it either.

 

[WildRose]

I agree, I'm actually building a 300wm after looking at the pro's and con's of nearly every 30 cal magnum out there.

In the end, it's hard to argue with a tried and true work horse.

"The .300wm is never the wrong answer, it is the Toyota Landcruiser of Rifle Cartridges".-me.

 

[FURMAN]

"The .300wm is never the wrong answer, it is the Toyota Landcruiser of Rifle Cartridges".-me.

The 30 Nosler and or PRC may yield slightly more performance but the 300 win mag will be the 30 by which all others are measured for some time to come as far as I am concerned. Yes we all know there are numerous others that will exceed its performance but the 300 win mag has a lot going for it.

 

[WildRose]

I've read just about every bit of info there is online about the 300 Norma. Every single owner of a 300Nm praises it for accuracy & wide nodes. The gun writers who don't seem to own a 300Nm explaines how 30 nosler is better, now their on a bandwagon of how 300 prc is better. I'm totally open minded but I can see there is a lot of fluff & hype in all directions. 300 prc is designed right. 300 Noma is designed right. Negatives on 300 norma = bolt face diameter is not so standard & less barrel life. I can live with that if the round is consistent. Any other negatives from someone who has owned a 300nm?
300 prc negatives: soley being dependant on hornady brass for several years or more. No other negatives we know of until some average consumers like ourselves spends time loading & shooting in 300 prc. There may be no other negatives, time will tell. The reason I'm even posting here is because I'll building one of these two. Previously, I was determined to build based on a round with lapua brass availability. Is 300 prc worth it over the 300 norma to get past my frustrations with run of the mill brass? 300 prc may be the best round ever perceived but it's going to take more time for me to decide between 300 norma & 300 prc. I've owned 3 6.5 creedmoors. I like them alot, but some how alot of common hunters & sporting goods store salesmen think that it out performs just about every other round that's ever been developed in terms of trajectory wind drift & terminal performance. How did they get those ideas? Great marketing is how they got those ideas. Is 6.5 cm a great round that's easy to load accurately, bucks wind, and delivers good down range energy for caliber size? Absolutely! Time has told all of those things to be true but it's still over estimated in the minds of alot of people. What has me puzzled right now is the fact that 300 Norma is praised highly from experienced owners but talked down by internet expert article writers who doesn't own one & 300 prc is touted to out perform 300 nm by people in the industry & tied to writing articles for the industry. I'm not insinuating at all the 300 prc isn't a great round. Why all the naysayers for the 300 Norma though? What do those same guys have to say for 6.5x47 lapua vs 6.5 creedmoor. I wish they would tell me which one is better.

You will also find a lot of personal bias because people become emotionally invested in whatever rifle, cartridge, bullet, etc they have invested their time and money in.

Hard, objective data is really difficult to come by in the shooting world.

 

[L.Sherm]

That is your experience am I'm not doubting it, I know of others who have had great experiences with ADG and I'm willing to give it a try.

 

[L.Sherm]

Hopefully the ADG wont be about 3 bucks a pop for brass either.

 

[FURMAN]

That is your experience am I'm not doubting it, I know of others who have had great experiences with ADG and I'm willing to give it a try.

Ok you still did not answer. Did they do direct comparisons in the same cartridge? A couple of you have said it is "better" than Nosler. I asked for some kind of factual information. I am not trying to be a jerk I am really trying to learn. In My experience I see no good reason to try it in another cartridge. Having said that I probably will try it anyway.

 

[FURMAN]

I see a lot of people bragging on ADG and they do make high quality, very consistent brass. I love seeing more options. I also know most of those individuals touting it as better than x brass have never actually done a straight up comparison. Then you have new reloaders come to the forum and read things that may not be true.

 

[WildRose]

Go over to accurateshooter and read what Ryan Pierce and Alex are finding with the 300Nm improved. The PRC will not keep up performance wise, is it a bad design no. None are perfect, PRC = sub par brass, 30 Nosler not much better, 300NM = Lapua boltface.

Hornady brass is fine as long as you're not pushing max loads, it's also cheap enough that it averages out just fine cost wise.

I've also talked to three other brass manufacturers over the last year and I have good reason to believe we'll see alternative sources to the .375 Ruger Hornady brass sooner rather than later.

 

[L.Sherm]

The reason I dont go prc route is everytime I've tried hornady brass or dies I've come away ***. Loading for 3-30 Noslers all had to be throttled back to 3050 to make the brass last same thing ***. Now I'm asking myself I'm getting back to 300 WM territory. I like everything about the 30 Nosler except the brass, as long as you have the reamer freebore right not the saami version. Same with the 300 NM improved dont know if I wanna do the Lapua boltface, definitely got the brass advantage

 

[FURMAN]

Yes Bertram should have 30 Nosler brass in the near future. In my experience it is very tough but not quite as consistent in weight. I have had zero problems getting small groups and small sd with the large weight variance Hornady brass in the Creedmoor. Some cartridges are less susceptible volume discrepancies. Bertram also has 6.5 PRC on the way. I would guess the 300 will be not far behind.