Who has said that the 300 PRC out performs the 300 NM? There could be specific applications where the PRC is a better choice, but I can't see where the PRC will actually out perform the Norma in an equal comparison. Same goes for the 6.5x47 Lapua vs 6.5 Creedmoor. The Creedmoor will give higher velocities in an equal comparison (loaded to the same pressures), but I wouldn't call it a better cartridge. In fact the comparison between the 6.5x47 Lapua and Creedmoor is very similar to comparing the PRC and Norma. The differences in usable case capacity are very similar when you look at the slightly smaller PRC and Lapua cases relative to their larger capacity counterparts, the Norma and Creedmoor cases, when they're all loaded to similar specs.
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Who has said that the 300 PRC out performs the 300 NM? There could be specific applications where the PRC is a better choice, but I can't see where the PRC will actually out perform the Norma in an equal comparison. Same goes for the 6.5x47 Lapua vs 6.5 Creedmoor. The Creedmoor will give higher velocities in an equal comparison (loaded to the same pressures), but I wouldn't call it a better cartridge. In fact the comparison between the 6.5x47 Lapua and Creedmoor is very similar to comparing the PRC and Norma. The differences in usable case capacity are very similar when you look at the slightly smaller PRC and Lapua cases relative to their larger capacity counterparts, the Norma and Creedmoor cases, when they're all loaded to similar specs.
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If you go through the loads used on this site I keep seeing Rl33 and N570. N570 with the 215 I saw one post 3170 The others are 3000fps with the 230.
I dunno how stable N570 is however Rl33 isn't great. Better than Rl25 but not like H1000. 8133 might do both velocity and stability but I would think SOCOM would have tested that before abandoning the cartridge. Load density with faster powders can be problematic. You as a handloader can control and adjust for known weather swings they cannot. The appeal was the PRC had better ES which shows up on target at the distances they are looking at. What's 100 fps if you have a big es vs a single digit ES. Frank Green was reporting 1/4 moa of vertical at 1000yds while cleaning an F Class target. Have not heard about the norma for F class and/or bench. If you really want the speed the improved version may extend your throat life to that of the prc or 300 win mag. As is I wouldn't think it would be much different than a rum
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I had a 30/28 Nosler and really liked it. When ADG comes out with the brass, the 30 Nosler will win unless someone picks up the PRC besides Hornady. I am building a 300 NM improved right now. I looked into running the 230 Berger. The BC or that compared to the 215 going faster doesn't pencil out much.
Go over to accurateshooter and read what Ryan Pierce and Alex are finding with the 300Nm improved. The PRC will not keep up performance wise, is it a bad design no. None are perfect, PRC = sub par brass, 30 Nosler not much better, 300NM = Lapua boltface.
I've played with adg in the Win Mag and Creedmoor it's soft. The 30 Nosler Nosler brass is some of the best I've used. Still going strong at 6 reloadings. I'll try it when/if it comes out but I doubt adg will be better than Nosler. In any case it will be nice to have more options.
So you're going to run 215s?
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I "think" the brass won't be an issue if it is typical military for the socom project. As is it isn't a conversation.
I'm sure if Alex is working with the imp version it's impressive. It would be fair to say that if he took on a prc project that would be as well. He has some skills for sure.
In the few blurbs I've read it is about issues at elevation with the norma as loaded for the military. Black hills had a fix but the speeds are close enough to have a fast prc barrel and a slow norma barrel be closer than people think like 50-60fps. I'm looking at my first 30 mag since I had a detached retna 20+ years ago. I'll only have one and I hope to have something that will be faster than a standard 300winmag better brass than the 300bee and not eat me out of barrels like a rum. I looked at the short mags and why wste a long action for short action performance.
If you run the 30 Nosler at that 3050 node then the Nosler brass will last a little longer but I bet your getting close to its life after 6 firings. There is a upper node with the 30 Nosler but the brass wont take it 2-3 firings and done.
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Yes I'm going to run the 215's. Known track record for killing animals. Look at the bc jump from 215 to 230. Isn't much compared to the 210-215. I have made 28 Nosler brass out of ADG and it is no way even close to as soft as Nosler. Tougher than Bertram and tougher than Nosler I can say that.
Please share your load when you figure it out.
I've seen others ruining it but neither of mine would make the next node. 3050 is good for me.
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This thread is interesting since I have a 30 cal proof sitting here and a mag long action on order. I was undecided between the 30 Nos and a 300 WM. After hearing from ADG that they are going to make brass for the 30 Nos I am pretty set on it. Looking forward to your test between the WM, Nos, and PRC rfurman24.
