The latest greatest Federal Cartridge

[southpa]

Well, to be fair to Hornady, the PRC stems from the RCM, I think it was 300 RCM (Rugar Compact Magnum). It is my understanding that they had developed this cartridge long before 6.5 Creedmoor, but did release it shortly after the 6.5cm.

You have shown quite a bit of haste for the PRC, that's ok, it's widely used and as I said, nobody is forcing you to use it. In the end popularity seems to win, and the PRCs are more popular than most others. 7PRC is a viable cartridge today, it would be hard to deny that. 300 RCM is very similar to 300 WSM, if you see them side by side. I do believe the 300 WSM is a great short action cartridge, just that 6.5 PRC uses the more modern extended bullets with a shortened/widened case that holds more powder. Neither 300 WSM or 300 RCM have that, but are still viable hunting cartridges. I don't think they will push a 175 grain at 3000 fps, like the 7BC may be able to do.

Popularity means nothing to me. Performance is what drives my interest. You are mistaking my haste for reality. These PRC "Modern cartridge designs" dont quite do it for me. This was about the 7BC outperforming the 7prc in a shorter barrel with less powder.

 

[liber]

Popularity means nothing to me. Performance is what drives my interest. You are mistaking my haste for reality. These PRC "Modern cartridge designs" dont quite do it for me. This was about the 7BC outperforming the 7prc in a shorter barrel with less powder.

Ok, but I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one that sees you with a dislike towards PRC, you even say it yourself, so some of these things don't matter to you as they do people like me and others. I have nothing more to say.

 

[Axl]

Never been a reloading company?
Why are you ignoring the fact that they have a terrific opportunity to impress everyone by flooding the market with Federal primers when the market is severely underserviced?

The anger "you read" is directed at the ineptitude of a so called product release, where moderate to medium priced rifles are non existent, no ammunition is available, dies don't exist, reloading data doesn't exist, the powders used are not disclosed, cases are not available, and manybreviewed are diaplaying very poor acting skills attempting to emulate elation.

This should have been keep confidential until every point above is addressed and released at the same time. Kindergarten level marketing.

Insulting people because they have concerns not addressed, reflects upon you, not them. These people are all potential customers. They are not being serviced with basic information and there is no attempt to address their very reasonable concerns.

BTW, have you ever been successful at anything, because you just failed comprehension and communication?

What are you talking about? How does "a terrific opportunity to impress everyone by flooding the market with Federal primers when the market is severely underserviced?" make them a reloading company?? The fact that they don't, proves they are not a reloading company. They are an ammunition company, THAT is why they only sell excess primers to the reloading market.
Talk about failing comprehension.

If you are such an expert on marketing, then list the items you have successfully brought to market.

Of course I am successful, because I don't believe blowing out someone else's candle will make mine shine brighter.

On failing communication, your words from above: powders used are not disclosed, cases are not available, and manybreviewed are diaplaying very poor acting skills attempting to emulate elation.
Pure gibberish!

 

[memtb]

What are you talking about? How does "a terrific opportunity to impress everyone by flooding the market with Federal primers when the market is severely underserviced?" make them a reloading company?? The fact that they don't, proves they are not a reloading company. They are an ammunition company, THAT is why they only sell excess primers to the reloading market.
Talk about failing comprehension.

If you are such an expert on marketing, then list the items you have successfully brought to market.

Of course I am successful, because I don't believe blowing out someone else's candle will make mine shine brighter.

On failing communication, your words from above: powders used are not disclosed, cases are not available, and manybreviewed are diaplaying very poor acting skills attempting to emulate elation.
Pure gibberish!

It may have something to do with government contracts and their ability to meet those demands first! memtb

 

[JiggyIi]

Another

 

[JiggyIi]

It may have something to do with government contracts and their ability to meet those demands first! memtb

Ammunition Ol Slimy was/is sending to Zelensky

 

[JiggyIi]

I think one of the mindsets that you are going to be bucking is as follows. I have a 7mm Remington Magnum that sits in my gun cabinet. It's just as effective and efficient now as it was 35 years ago when I first got it. Nothing's changed. I see no reason to change to the new and improved. Doesn't matter if the new is better. I already have a tool that works.

I totally hear ya️I have 45/70, 6.5x55, 06' 270' 8mm Mauser, - all 100 years old plus! 7RM, 300WM, 243, 223, 6mm REM, 22-250
& I'm Not Changing ️

 

[CMP70306]

Im not jumping all over anything. It stands to not offer much to me. If you can read you'd see that haha. Stay focused here man. You're all over the board. The premise is YOU claimed the 7BC doesn't outperform the 7prc. You're wrong.

The 7bc offers nothing to me because I'm not interested in sacrificing performance for super short barrels and supressors. It does however outperform the 7prc in the short barrel for supressor use arena, while not sacrificing the performance. This is probly what it's designed for...

I never said the 7 PRC outperforms the 7BC, care to quote me and show me where I did?

Based on the published numbers it clearly doesn't. I specifically stated I'm getting 2860 fps with a 175gr bullet in my 20" 7 PRC while the 7 BC is getting 3,000 fps giving it a 140fps advantage in the same barrel. Now I might be able to bump my 7 PRC numbers up to make up some of the difference but I doubt I'd be able to get anywhere near 140 fps of additional speed.

That being said I don't see you harping on the 28 Nosler, 7 STW or 7 RUM all of which are still slower than the 7 BC despite burning 30gr more powder with 26" barrels.

 

[memtb]

I totally hear ya️I have 45/70, 6.5x55, 06' 270' 8mm Mauser, - all 100 years old plus! 7RM, 300WM, 243, 223, 6mm REM, 22-250
& I'm Not Changing ️

The only new cartridge that we use regularly…..is my wife's .338 WM. The majority of my favorite rifle cartridges are 100+ years old! memtb

 

[Axl]

It may have something to do with government contracts and their ability to meet those demands first! memtb

Yes, government ammunition contracts. My point is Federal has always been an ammunition company, who they sell their ammo to is irrelevant.

 

[AussieWriter]

What are you talking about? How does "a terrific opportunity to impress everyone by flooding the market with Federal primers when the market is severely underserviced?" make them a reloading company?? The fact that they don't, proves they are not a reloading company. They are an ammunition company, THAT is why they only sell excess primers to the reloading market.
Talk about failing comprehension.

If you are such an expert on marketing, then list the items you have successfully brought to market.

Of course I am successful, because I don't believe blowing out someone else's candle will make mine shine brighter.

On failing communication, your words from above: powders used are not disclosed, cases are not available, and manybreviewed are diaplaying very poor acting skills attempting to emulate elation.
Pure gibberish!

You insulted the contributors here telling them "they had never done anything successful" so how dare they challenge the Federal offering.

That makes you the aggressor and when redirected back to you, you naturally avoided responding. So be it!