In the Ear? Really???

[scrmblr1982cj8]

In my experience, coyotes have excellent vision. They've spotted me from several hundred yards several times. Hogs do not pick up details at distance, but they can detect movement. I've learned to stand still when they look my way, and that I'm not the sneaky ninja I think I am.

I think the hog's greatest sense is its sense of smell. If they catch wind of you, goodbye!

 

[snox801]

I think you are right I've got away with quite a bit of movement but smell nope. Last hunt I brought my full scentloc suite and what a difference. Glad I live only 3 miles from the manufacturer always able to get seconds. Get them cheap and they really work.

 

[scrmblr1982cj8]

I am very fortunate to have access to my friend's property. He has 14 stands scattered across two counties. I don't get too busy with scent control. Most of the year, it's warm enough that I sweat, so I watch the wind and only hunt the stands where the wind is in my favor.

The places that I hunt are agricultural, so the hogs are somewhat used to humans. When I put bait out, if I back off down wind, I've got a good chance of seeing hogs if I wait a while. My friend tells me that the hogs are drawn to the sound of his cotton picker. I didn't believe him, but when I went to check it out a few years ago, a small sounder came out about 10 minutes after he cranked up his machines. I guess they associate the sounds with food.

 

[snox801]

That is the perfect way to hunt. Best possible scenario. I've found when its hot is the best time to use scent lock. I had a stand I had to walk well over a half mile with my climber and two years ago it was mid 70s at 3:00 when I'd start walking and it still seemed to cover my scent. I still prefer your way best.

 

[Galveston340]

The deer do not seem to mind the green light.

....BUT the Hogs will! When I am using my stuff at night...heading up on corn pipes that we know are holding a good sounder and want to try and creep up on them if we aren't already set up the last thing you want to do is either turn on a green light or a very bright red one.
Folks will sell you a light saying that "they can't see it" and I have to call B.S. I've sat back and seen someone either turn on a green LED or laze them with green and watch them scatter.
The big hogs got that way for a reason and they teach the rest of the sounder what they have learned.

Just my take of course!

 

[Packrat 6]

Hmmmm. wonder why the local Coyotes don't respond to a green light like they do a White one?....Conditioning?.. Suburbian yotes and used to crossing at the street corners only with a green light?....LOL...May be as simple as not having experienced it locally, they just don't realize what it is. Totally feral Coyotes may be a different story, but then again, they don't get the hunting pressure around here as they do in other places like Texas.

I know that a red light, as used by the military, won't destroy night vision, but the Military does issue both Red and Green filters for their flashlights. Will have to go check and see if the Hogs vision is particularly susceptible to washing out with any certain colors?

**** guys, now you got me back to square one. Somebody send me a Feral Hog to practice on! Not real big...about a 30 lb piglet....cleaned, skinned and Iced of course. .........



Packrat

 

[scrmblr1982cj8]

Since I've been in SC, I've been deer hunting over 175 times, hog hunting over 120 times, turkey hunting 6 times, and predator hunting 4 times. In all of those trips, I've seen 2 coyotes. The first sighting consisted of seeing a coyote cross a trail, and I saw him for less than a second. The second sighting was when I had a coyote in a small clearing for about 3 minutes. I had no idea that coyotes shed their coats in the summer, and I thought it was somebody's dog with mange. Ugliest dog I'd ever seen. It looked like an ugly greyhound, so I didn't shoot. Several of the locals let their dogs run wild, and I didn't want to kill someone's pet. The vegetation around here is so thick that they have no problems hiding. I get trail cam pics of them cruising through but only on occasion. We don't have vast expanses of open terrain around here. It's a mixture of pine forests and farmland. I'd love to get a coyote, but I have trouble even finding them.

My wife and I bought 60 acres and built a house on it. Other than the acre we cleared for the house, it is wooded. I've got a Primos game call, and over the past few months, have got them to howl at me on four occasions. I even saw one crossing the road in front of my house five weeks ago, but darned if they show up when I've got a gun with me.

 

[Packrat 6]

Scrmblr,

Play a cats fighting recording after you've found a place where you can get a little distance so you can set up an ambush. Its best if you can get some height to shoot from since you don't have a long sight lines.

Sure that if you want to call some in, djones has a little expertise, but again he's used to long sight lines. Verbally, he can make the mating sound of the ruptured Rabbit so good you would swear it was a recording! Guess there is nothing like experience. first time I heard it, I thought he'd hung his crotch up on a thorn bush or something.

If you've noticed some of the rabbits in his pictures lately, don't let them fool you They are actually advertising, since he is the President of the local chapter of the "Hare Club for Men"!

Packrat

 

[scrmblr1982cj8]

I'm in the process of building a range on my property. It will be long (300m) and narrow (10m?). My plan is to make the middle a little wider than the ends, so I can place a decoy and have as decent field of view as I can. Hopefully I can call in something in soon. We've got a 6 week old baby girl, so my to work on the range is very limited.

 

[djones]

I don't hunt predators much, but I've watched a little on tv. some things I believe are…

all else being equal, lights dullest to brightest are: red, green, blue and white. filters suck, use led lights. variable beam from spot to flood is nice if it doesn't slip out of adjustment too easily. variable power has some advantages too, as long as you don't have to toggle through half a dozen clicks on the tailcap to get there.

i use red and green but see the pros on tv use white lights successfully. however, that may be for camera purposes?? the trick is not to shine the brightest part of the spot in their eyes. just keep the glow on them. if you're using a gun mounted light to scan, and the cross hairs are line up with the spot, then wait until you're ready to shoot to put the spot on them.

recently I was testing a new ir light. it's very powerful compared to all my other ir lights and it's just in a flashlight body. normally I drive around sneaking up on hogs, but this time I staked out a waterhole and waited on them. two coyotes showed up unaware I was there. when I put the ir light on them they looked right at me. I've also spooked rabbits, birds and numerous hogs with ir lights. if they can see that, they can see everything. sometimes they spook, sometimes they don't.

I think it helps me to be on flat ground where lights from irrigation towers, radio towers, wind turbines, farm houses and distant communities etc are normal. they're used to lights. just don't wave them around like you're trying to flag down a passing motorist. scan slowly so they have less chance to pick up your movement. when you see eyes, leave it on them. if the light doesn't spook them, it will help blind them so they can't see you. when scanning, don't let the light shine on anything they can see, like your vehicle or another person.

if you hunt a stand and spook animals when shining a light on them, try pointing the light up in the air when turning it on and slowly bringing it down. if a game cam is at the feeder, turn your light on when the camera flashes. sometimes tricks work and sometimes they don't... unless of course... you're super D!

 

[Coy Franks]

djones said;

" hogs are supposed to see poorly, but they seem to see quite well when they want to, especially at night."

This is the best description of hogs eyesight I have ever read!! I have used white and red and green and sometimes they work and sometimes they do not. The best advice I could give is to shine the main beam of the light above your target and use just the halo around the light for the shot. Then on the other hand I have used a two million candlepower light at 50 yards with the hog in the center for 10 minutes and it never ran. Go figure???

Every hog is different and every day is different for every hog. Kinda like a woman??

Who knows. Sometimes you kill the bear and sometimes the bear kills you!

 

[djones]

coy,
valuable info there. as your business manager, i would have liked to see you charge for that, but i understand your generosity. i would take a 10k charitable contribution for you, but of course, you're already phased out from such deductions.

on a final note, you may be getting a pm from manpakker. anything relating to women goes right over his head.

finally, i'm going to have to quote you for a signature line.

dj

 

[Packrat 6]

on a final note, you may be getting a pm from manpakker. anything relating to women goes right over his head. j

Not that is goes over my head, it's just that your first payment bounced high enough that an A-10 flying overhead almost sucked it into his intakes. After I acted in good faith! Some business manager you are!...

Coy, are you aware djones is in the process of destroying your credit?.......

Spent the morning trying to figure out if I trusted you enough to make good on this payment and complete the balance due......Since you decided to distort my name again, guess I don't!

Packrat

 

[Packrat 6]

recently I was testing a new ir light. it's very powerful compared to all my other ir lights and it's just in a flashlight body. normally I drive around sneaking up on hogs, but this time I staked out a waterhole and waited on them. two coyotes showed up unaware I was there. when I put the ir light on them they looked right at me. I've also spooked rabbits, birds and numerous hogs with ir lights. if they can see that, they can see everything. sometimes they spook, sometimes they don't

I've read back through the discussion and wonder if proximity has anything to do with it. The coyotes around here, as far as i know have never been shot at and there are quite a few different lights scattered around the houses and even the green belt areas have some light What I was considering was when I hit them with a White light, they scatter immediately, but when I hit them with the green at about 150 yds in either case, they just stood or laid there. In fact, the pack of about 9 -12, some quite young, Coyotes just lay there totally unconcerned. Didn't panic at all!

If there hadn't been a house about 100 yards behind them could have probably gotten about 3 or 4 before they realized what was happening since I rally don't think they've ever been shot at. Well, except for a bow shot I took while they were running down the street as a pack. I was actually hoping that maybe a green light spotlight would work well enough so I didn't have to refi the house to get me a Thermal!

Your thoughts about activating the light kind of hit home since I usually have the light pointed upward when turning it on, then bringing it down to illuminate whatever I'm aiming for. Also, did not hit them with the direct beam, was lighting them up with the scatter from the light. Could be that blinding them is what triggers the "escape" reflex. HOWEVER, the local Javalina's totally ignore ANY light shined on them as I have them in my front yard, as a pack, several times a year eating the Mesquite beans off the trees. Saves me raking them up to keep the HOA off my butt.

Out of curiosity, have you ever considered using the Military 12 Hour IR ChemLights over bait. Wonder if it will increase the range of your NVD and illuminate the area enough to shoot at them from 200 - 300-- yds off?. Been meaning to try it at the ranch, but haven't been down there since last July and not sure I'm going to be able to go even for the remainder of this year.

Looks like I may be back to shooting dust bunnies with my Paper clip and rubber band slingshot and rock salt. I usually get my limit, but they are such a hassle to clean! ......

Packrat