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[mcali2]

So say I have a 24" barrel that shoots 3,000 FPS and I cut it back to 20" and add a can.... will it slow the bullet down since I reduced the length of the barrel or will adding the can keep it close?

Is there a minimum barrel contour to keep in mind if wanting to add a can?

Yes and NO. You need to look at the Cal V barrel length test done by others. Some bullets will go faster in a shorter barrel. There is a tipping point where speed goes down and Some long barrels are just past that number. I also imagine there is room to reload to use the extra barrel but that requires work. I cut my 17 HMR down from 22" to 19" and gained 150 FPS, I don't know if the can has increased the speed much as i have not tested it but I think I will go do some now. Adding the suppressor adds speed but how much is going to depend on the equipment used.

 

[mcali2]

Thanks for this great info. All very true. I purchased mine thru Silencer Shop via the Kiosk at my local Gun Shop. We called The Silencer Shop and verified they had the model I wanted in stock. Actually the customer service guy said they had two in stock. I think the call to them after you decide which one you want is worth it vs. relying on what their website says.

nks

They said mine was in stock for 2 months until they explained it was future stock still in production, they were told it would be there by a set day but there was a hold up from the MFG due to a lack of materials for the baffle system. It never came. I now ask is it physically there in their name.

 

[mcali2]

I also just purchased my first silencer / suppressor through the Silencer Shop two weeks ago. Easy but fairly long process and I used the kiosk also. The ATF wait time is a bit ridiculous. I'm told with the recent Govt. Shutdown(s) it may be a year before I get the item. Never forked out a $ grand and had to wait a year or more to receive the purchase.

I have people in the 14 month range now. It is not the ATF holding things back. It is the FBI who does the background. They are now doing a real background check on some people and not the " computer said nothing so he must be a good boy"

 

[mcali2]

I recently got my first can, a Blackhawk carnivore 300wm. I plan to run it on a 300 blackout and a 260 Remington. Again this is my first suppressor so bare with me. Do I need to do anything maintenance wise to it? I think it's a sealed model, so I don't know how I can clean out the internal baffles when they get really clogged/dirty.

The reps I have talked to asked me do I clean the muffler on my Diesel truck? No you don't need to clean it. It does not hurt to. Now if you have a take down suppressor or a outer tube that slides off and you better clean it as it will lock up and may never come apart. I open mine once in a while. brush the threads and add a little frog lube. Some MFG warn against sonic cleaning too.

 

[mt hunter22]

Have you tried a Cruz or a thunderbeast? I'm looking at getting a second suppressor.. and my purpose for it would be hunting ,the idea is I want to build a lightweight hunting rifle that is suppressed will probably be some 30 caliber variation and I want it to be light and short ,while sticking to that 1000-1200 yd effective on elk speeds.The idea that if needed I could screw it off or have it unattached and still get the same poi would be a nice option and I would of course have to be willing to trade some sound suppression for lighter weight and shorter. What I have now is a 13 pound rifle with a 28 inch barrel and if you add my elite iron bravo can it not only moves my poi a large amount but more importantly makes it wayyyyy to long and also very front heavy ,, definitely not a good backpacking option!!

 

[Herr Nagler]

Silencers or suppressors are a very "slippery slope" - like some other controlled substances.

Once you get one you will:
1.) find that you then need to have all of your rifle muzzles threaded to accept your suppressor
2.) Decide that it is too much of a pain to move a single suppressor from one rifle to another and so you will buy more
3.) you will find that you don't like shooting as much without one
4.) you will find that you hate shooting without one
5.) you will disparage and think ill thoughts of other shooters that were not courteous enough to purchase a suppressor for their guns
6.) you will feel hate for other shooters that use muzzle breaks
7.) you will be amazed at how much more productive and fun it is to hunt with one ...

You have been warned ...

 

[cohunt]

Sure they can. not on everything b

Yes, the do or can. Your looking in the wrong direction. Laws have been written, like the CA ban of AR15 rifles in 98. I had to register it. (The AR was grandfathered in) the law states when I die or move out of state the gun can no longer stay in the state. With a trust, I registered it as the owner , just like a cooperation as the owner, as long as it is "alive" the gun is good. people can join the trust for the next 100 years or until the state comes out and banns the use of trust.

That's because the old law had agrandfather clause, this is a special circumstance that allows for the trust as the owner to be under the old law, it will end when the beneficiary take control of the assets...

Example 1.. can you list your bump stock in your trust and still legally own it after 3/26/19-- no (especially in ca) it is now classified as a mg and must be destroyed since there has been a change in its definition thusly changing the law with no grandfather clause(I know this "definition" is being challenged right now though) --- example 2: f your state changes their law and now outlaws suppressors without a grandfather clause then you better move those suppressors out of that state, your trust wont protect you, its trustees, or beneficiaries if they stay in that state with the suppressor
--- same goes for anything else-- your trust is still bound by all current laws, if the current law has a grandfather clause then it works for private party and trust. New law regarding suppressors says that all transfers must go through a background check (even though trust grantors, trustees, and beneficiaries did not have to for a trust started before July 13, 2016) -- so when you die and the suppressor is distributed to its beneficiaries they will have to do a form 5 transfer with bg check with prints but wont have to pay the $200 tax stamp-- but you do not need a trust to transfer a suppressor to a beneficiary on a tax free form 5, just a will.
Not only can the feds change laws that can affect grantors, trustees, and beneficiaries but so can states)
Best thing to do when it comes down to getting legal help regarding guns, trusts , nfa items is to not rely on internet help -- go get a qualified attorney
A trust ends with its beneficiaries, and it can only be changed by its settlors/grantors, so once the grantors die, it will end when the beneficiaries can legally take control over its assets, they dont last forever.

Trusts offer some protection, but can be complicated and may require more bg check with fp cards than if you just did it on an individual basis, call and talk to a dedicated gun trust attorney to get the facts for your specific state

 

[mcali2]

That's because the old law had agrandfather clause, this is a special circumstance that allows for the trust as the owner to be under the old law, it will end when the beneficiary take control of the assets...

Example 1.. can you list your bump stock in your trust and still legally own it after 3/26/19-- no (especially in ca) it is now classified as a mg and must be destroyed since there has been a change in its definition thusly changing the law with no grandfather clause(I know this "definition" is being challenged right now though) --- example 2: f your state changes their law and now outlaws suppressors without a grandfather clause then you better move those suppressors out of that state, your trust wont protect you, its trustees, or beneficiaries if they stay in that state with the suppressor
--- same goes for anything else-- your trust is still bound by all current laws, if the current law has a grandfather clause then it works for private party and trust. New law regarding suppressors says that all transfers must go through a background check (even though trust grantors, trustees, and beneficiaries did not have to for a trust started before July 13, 2016) -- so when you die and the suppressor is distributed to its beneficiaries they will have to do a form 5 transfer with bg check with prints but wont have to pay the $200 tax stamp-- but you do not need a trust to transfer a suppressor to a beneficiary on a tax free form 5, just a will.
Not only can the feds change laws that can affect grantors, trustees, and beneficiaries but so can states)
Best thing to do when it comes down to getting legal help regarding guns, trusts , nfa items is to not rely on internet help -- go get a qualified attorney
A trust ends with its beneficiaries, and it can only be changed by its settlors/grantors, so once the grantors die, it will end when the beneficiaries can legally take control over its assets, they dont last forever.

Trusts offer some protection, but can be complicated and may require more bg check with fp cards than if you just did it on an individual basis, call and talk to a dedicated gun trust attorney to get the facts for your specific state

The point of the living trust or my family trust is to keep people in it so it will not die. I have 2 co trustees who gain controling athority when I die. As long as they want and if they appoint new co trustees It will not die. As with anything laws change. In some most cases a trust can live longer and as long as there is not a law removing the items 100% you are still better off with a trust. Plus everyone can enjoy the can and if it is outlawed and one of the trustees live in a state where is is still legal, you just relocate them. I have a 2nd A. Lawyer. I have to for my gun shop. That is how I understand it. I could be wrong but at this point does it matter? Here today gone tomorrow. We are losing gun rights almost weekely. Here in NV. We we will lose a ton this year.

 

[mcali2]

Silencers or suppressors are a very "slippery slope" - like some other controlled substances.

Once you get one you will:
1.) find that you then need to have all of your rifle muzzles threaded to accept your suppressor
2.) Decide that it is too much of a pain to move a single suppressor from one rifle to another and so you will buy more
3.) you will find that you don't like shooting as much without one
4.) you will find that you hate shooting without one
5.) you will disparage and think ill thoughts of other shooters that were not courteous enough to purchase a suppressor for their guns
6.) you will feel hate for other shooters that use muzzle breaks
7.) you will be amazed at how much more productive and fun it is to hunt with one ...

You have been warned ...

LOL STOP IT. That is so true. I almost give the first one away as I know they will be back

 

[mcali2]

Have you tried a Cruz or a thunderbeast? I'm looking at getting a second suppressor.. and my purpose for it would be hunting ,the idea is I want to build a lightweight hunting rifle that is suppressed will probably be some 30 caliber variation and I want it to be light and short ,while sticking to that 1000-1200 yd effective on elk speeds.The idea that if needed I could screw it off or have it unattached and still get the same poi would be a nice option and I would of course have to be willing to trade some sound suppression for lighter weight and shorter. What I have now is a 13 pound rifle with a 28 inch barrel and if you add my elite iron bravo can it not only moves my poi a large amount but more importantly makes it wayyyyy to long and also very front heavy ,, definitely not a good backpacking option!!

No, not personally. I have sold the thunder but only 1 or 2. I find most suppress very close to each other and I can't tell the difference in loudness more pitch and recoil. as far as your goal of no POI change. I'm not sure what suppressor will do that. If I was to guess it would be a larger can maybe a 338 or 450 can. Allowing for gases to move around the bullet more and not push it as much. That is a total guess. I don't remember seeing a big change with my 7mm rem and my 338 can.

 

[cohunt]

The point of the living trust or my family trust is to keep people in it so it will not die. I have 2 co trustees who gain controling athority when I die. As long as they want and if they appoint new co trustees It will not die. As with anything laws change. In some most cases a trust can live longer and as long as there is not a law removing the items 100% you are still better off with a trust. Plus everyone can enjoy the can and if it is outlawed and one of the trustees live in a state where is is still legal, you just relocate them. I have a 2nd A. Lawyer. I have to for my gun shop. That is how I understand it. I could be wrong but at this point does it matter? Here today gone tomorrow. We are losing gun rights almost weekely. Here in NV. We we will lose a ton this year.

Again, some states are different, but all trusts must have a grantor, trustees, and benificiaries(that must be living and named at the time of your death) upon the grantors death the trust automatically becomes an irrevocable trust and can no longer change, it ends when your benificiaries have received the full distribution from the trust. ALL trusts must end. Not all trusts are even legal, but unless contested may never be known they aren't. The atf does not look at the legality of your trust, just that you have one. People need to be aware that alot of the $99/quick trusts are not necessarily legal as generally they are not written correctly . Not saying your personal trust isnt right as I only know what my attorneys have informed me about regarding my trusts and state/federal laws, but all trusts must end with a beneficiary. They can actually be ended early by the benificiaries by way of court petition after the successors death.

 

[TBuckus]

The significant part about a trust that I see is 1. My kids, brothers will be able to use it without myself being present and 2. When I die, they can keep it if they want them. I'm assuming on an individual trust, you would have to sell it to a dealer or pay for another tax stamp
The thing I don't like is that is appears to take longer to get approved by the ATF

 

[mcali2]

Again, some states are different, but all trusts must have a grantor, trustees, and benificiaries(that must be living and named at the time of your death) upon the grantors death the trust automatically becomes an irrevocable trust and can no longer change, it ends when your benificiaries have received the full distribution from the trust. ALL trusts must end. Not all trusts are even legal, but unless contested may never be known they aren't. The atf does not look at the legality of your trust, just that you have one. People need to be aware that alot of the $99/quick trusts are not necessarily legal as generally they are not written correctly . Not saying your personal trust isnt right as I only know what my attorneys have informed me about regarding my trusts and state/federal laws, but all trusts must end with a beneficiary. They can actually be ended early by the benificiaries by way of court petition after the successors death.

OK, you're correct. I did not understand. thanks for educating me.

 

[ducky]

I did the Silencer Shop kiosk with the trust in January, purchasing an Omega and Sparrow. I really wanted the YHM Resonator for my multi caliber can, but they are backorder only right now. I decided to go with what the dealer had in stock rather than do the paperwork on the YHM.

I currently only have one rifle threaded for a suppressor or brake, so now I'm trying to decide which rifles to thread next. I just decided to buy a whole new barrel for the 10/22 as it's about as cheap as threading. I've been building light weight rifles of late so most of my barrels are going need some help getting a suitable shoulder.