Your Ultimate 500 Yard Rig

[NeoConShooter]

Like I said above, you need help. You say you don't judge until you see and yet preach as though you have seen. Seek help.

I have not judged a single person here on this web site! A simple statement of fact. What I did say was that there is a moral imperative that we hunt in an ethical manner which requires that we kill the game animal humanly with a single, quickly fatal, shot and that the longer the range, the more unlikely that becomes. Then I stated my personal belief that shooting at live game at any range past the "Point Blank Range" was not a good choice as it left too much to chance. Examples; the laser ranges on a bug, or discarded soda can and gives the wrong range, or even at the end of the longer PBR of a cannon like a my .300RUM, or .338 Lapua, or .378 family of super guns, a single unseen, or unfelt puff of wind shortly down range can blow the bullet off course just enough to turn a heart shot into a gut shot. These are my personal beliefs. I shared them with you all. I only stated my own rules and the reason why I use them. If you are that good that you can reliably range the target, accurately estimate the wind conditions at longer ranges and control your weapon to place the shot and are willing shoot at longer ranges, that is your choice and responsibility. This is America where we take personal responsibility and I just said my opinion.

 

[Overkill338]

I have a GAP with a Templar action in 6.5CM. Awesome rifle.

Their rifles have amazing reviews. Plus it was good enough for Chris Kyle, so I know it's more than I need lol

 

[ENCORE]

UPDATE: Complete Bestill Creations LLC custom muzzleloader, with updated photos

From the original .50cal, to a complete custom .45cal. Muzzleloader.
There is absolutely zero issues pushing this to and well past 500yds.

With BH209 it sends a 275gr, .450" bullet out the bore at 2,500fps

Shooting smokeless propellant, it'll send a 300gr, .450" bullet at 2,900fps

At 107yds it'll send 5 through the same hole

 

[Overkill338]

I have not judged a single person here on this web site! A simple statement of fact. What I did say was that there is a moral imperative that we hunt in an ethical manner which requires that we kill the game animal humanly with a single, quickly fatal, shot and that the longer the range, the more unlikely that becomes. Then I stated my personal belief that shooting at live game at any range past the "Point Blank Range" was not a good choice as it left too much to chance. Examples; the laser ranges on a bug, or discarded soda can and gives the wrong range, or even at the end of the longer PBR of a cannon like a my .300RUM, or .338 Lapua, or .378 family of super guns, a single unseen, or unfelt puff of wind shortly down range can blow the bullet off course just enough to turn a heart shot into a gut shot. These are my personal beliefs. I shared them with you all. I only stated my own rules and the reason why I use them. If you are that good that you can reliably range the target, accurately estimate the wind conditions at longer ranges and control your weapon to place the shot and are willing shoot at longer ranges, that is your choice and responsibility. This is America where we take personal responsibility and I just said my opinion.

By Point Blank Range, you aren't talking about the muzzle touching fur. You mean the distance at which the bullet doesn't rise nor fall distances that equal the size of the kill zone, correct?

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

16" 6.5 creedmoor (I said it) 143's and 5.5-22x50 NSX

 

[Overkill338]

16" 6.5 creedmoor (I said it) 143's and 5.5-22x50 NSX

You must want the bullets to drop in like a Javelin missile.

 

[NeoConShooter]

So you are walking around with a 4-16x56mm on top of an ultra mag and only shoot at point blank range?

Yes! I know of only one other weapon, the 30/378, even close to walking around weight that has a longer PBR with enough energy left at the longest range I will shoot to give me a reasonable chance to make that one shot quick kill. On top of that It has the biggest and ugliest multi chamber muzzle break I could have manufactured that extends the 26" BBL length by 6" more inches and adds half? a pound to the all ready heavy gun, scope and sling. If I was not entitled to use an ATV to get there and pack the meat out, I would never consider using it.
Having said that, I do shoot at much longer ranges and most times with a much smaller gun chambered in .308, out to 1,200 meters or so, in so called "Sniper" matches, just for the fun of it. I compete in the no laser class of guess the range using the rifle scope and refined by my best friend and long time spotter. I have two each M-14/21s and LR-308s most with big glass. I also shoot at Prairie Puppies with everything I own from an iron sighted HS .22 pistol, out to 100 meters or a little more, to 10-22s and 144 LRS rifles, to about 200 Meters or so, to 5.56 ARs, to 3-500 meters, to my three hot rod .224s, four if you count my .224 Valkyrie AR, to 4-600 meters, all four of my "Serious" toys in 7.62X51 and yes, even that monstrosity of a stone stock Remington Sendaro in .300 RUM and lastly, an iron sighted Perdersoili(SP?) "Quigley" rifle I bought used from a club member who did not like the recoil, about 15 years ago. I take all of those guns so that I can continue to shoot before any of them get too hot. We normally do not spot for each other but call out our own hits and misses. It is more fun than you can imagine and very serious training too! I freely admit that I miss more than I hit because of the strong winds prevalent in Wyoming all year long. It is both exhilarating and humbling at the same time while helping a rancher clear out some of the dogs.

 

[NeoConShooter]

You must want the bullets to drop in like a Javelin missile.

I share your personal philosophy because it is more fun that arguing with them.

 

[NeoConShooter]

I can't either. I buy nice custom boomers when the original owner figures out he can't handle or just prefers something else due to the recoil.

Usually I pick them up for less than the cost of the parts.

I love your system of acquiring nice guns! I got more than one that way including a Perdersoili? Quigley clone for under 900 bucks and a long heavy BBL'd .224 Clarke Improved in a nice custom stock for $400!!! Talk about long PBR! It launches an 80 grain SMK with a BC of .420 at 3,650 FPS. It's only problem is that it eats BBLs and I've done three now. But when it's on...
PS. It also shoot the 60 grain FB HP Hornady at 4,100 FPS for easy hits on PPs.

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

You must want the bullets to drop in like a Javelin missile.

Been looking into it, few guys that run 16's are getting 2650-2680 some 2700 with a suppressor with 140's. I know not super flat but....it's really what I'm getting out of my Gap-10 currently with Its 21" barrel

I could just pull my 300AX out if I want a laser. 5.2 moa to 500 with a 100 yard zero

 

[NeoConShooter]

One of my brother n laws is trying to get one of my 264s. He said you don't need two, i replied you're right do you know where there's another one at. I have two 264s, two 7mm mag interarms & a browning a bolt 2 30/06. The ought6 was my gift to myself when I got out of the navy in 2012. In 2014 I went on my first elk hunt self guided im Clark , Co. I was at the gun cabinet @ Walmart in steamboat springs. This rancher walks up I'd say mid to late 50s & said I've never hunted before but want a elk rifle. The lady behind the counter never missed a beat & said without a doubt we sell more 270 win & 30/06 then anything else combined. Not sure what he chose but I'm sure it gets the job done .

I used to have a .264 had it bored out to take .300 Weatherby cases way back when I was a kid in high school and had to save every cent to buy powder, bullets and primers.

 

[BrentM]

Been looking into it, few guys that run 16's are getting 2650-2680 some 2700 with a suppressor with 140's. I know not super flat but....it's really what I'm getting out of my Gap-10 currently with Its 21" barrel

I could just pull my 300AX out if I want a laser. 5.2 moa to 500 with a 100 yard zero

My 20" with a can is running a 140 at 2800. With the right powder choice I could see a 16 and can being around 2700. I would imagine 1400 lbs of energy and 2100 fps at 500 for that set up.

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

If you want it flatter the 120-123's would be a good option.

 

[BrentM]

If you want it flatter the 120-123's would be a good option.[/QUOTE

It seems to me that anything past point blank is dial and go and lasered. I generally don't get too rapped up in flat. I do look at wind deflection and energy. Although I'm not sure that is needed for predators. Anyway, based on estimated fps, the 123 would be around 150 fps faster and .5 moa less dial to 500. Energy is 200 lbs less tho. Here's the kicker, for a 10 mph full value the 140 is .9 moa less drift.