Trigger failures

[FURMAN]

I have never had a trigger fail. Thousands upon thousands of rounds in windy dusty rainy conditions. Coopers, Jewells, BixNAndy. I have a Huber on the way to try and am testing a Geissele s700. I really do not know what I am going to find since I have never had one fail.

 

[rustyshackleford]

I have never had a trigger fail. Thousands upon thousands of rounds in windy dusty rainy conditions. Coopers, Jewells, BixNAndy. I have a Huber on the way to try and am testing a Geissele s700. I really do not know what I am going to find since I have never had one fail.

If there was a geissele Win MOA replacement it would already be done

 

[Greyfox]

You do the 2 stage or single stage?

I prefer the Huber Concepts, 2 stage. I like the triggers total weight set at 1.5# with a 50:50 stage break. I find 1.5#(or lighter) single stage too light for the bulk of my nunting, and even requires careful handling and safety awareness in PRS. IMO, the 2 stages adds a margin of safety with light triggers, and will use it for both PRS and hunting. The first stage take-up mentally sets you up for the shot and reduces the chance of "jabbing" the trigger when the crosshair wobbles on target. With about 50% of the take-up weight being used during the first stage, the perceived break at the wall of the second stage at 50% is apparent, crisp and benchrest light. IMO.

 

[Greyfox]

I have never had a trigger fail. Thousands upon thousands of rounds in windy dusty rainy conditions. Coopers, Jewells, BixNAndy. I have a Huber on the way to try and am testing a Geissele s700. I really do not know what I am going to find since I have never had one fail.

I can certainly understand what you are saying having had similar experiences and impressions..... until I became active in PRS competition. It's kind of reminiscent of my getting into IPSC back in the early 80's I can remember rarely, if ever having one of my 1911's fail to operate until I began heavily participating in IPSC. IMO, a season of active PRC competition/series may very well subject a rifle to the equivalent of many seasons, or in some cases, a lifetime of hunting, other forms of competition, or general shooting use for many shooters. I have seen more of what I would have considered top quality triggers, actions, scopes and barrels fail that I would not expect to see even under the harshest of hunting conditions...and with experienced, and knowledgeable riflemen. The typical match will see approximately 100 rounds of fast 10+ round/1-2 minute strings from a myriad of positions and a variety of conditions. As importantly, last shot of the match(a long day) must retain the same demanding level of accuracy/precision as the first cold bore shot. I certainly don't consider my experiences or opinions to be the last word on the subject, but I am always intrigued that even in my twight years and decades of shooting, some of my well established ideas and practices are still subject to change or improvement.

 

[bushmotornv]

Not all triggers like the lighter fluid, that's a Jewel specific deal mostly.

I believe that Timney recommends the lighter fluid clean method as well.

 

[bushmotornv]

So this raises the question of what is everyone using for lube in their various triggers,and why?

 

[Craveman85]

I had an old Remington 700 trigger that fired twice taking the safety off. I replaced it with a timney that I'm not very pleased with. When you push the Remington trigger to the fire or safe position there's a noticable click when it's engaged . My timney doesn't really click into the fire position and Ive had a few times where I go to fire and nothing happens .I have to force the safety forward and then can fire .Going to replace it some day with something better

 

[chparatrooper88]

For those of you that shoot frequently and better yet compete how often do you actually see triggers "go down"? It seems like the old style model 70 trigger was the standard for a rugged trigger but surely all the new triggers aren't exactly frail.

Specifically, I'm toying with the idea of replacing my MOA trigger with a Timney. My particular sample adjusted down to 3 & 1/4 and is crisp, so hardly a bad trigger.

There are many good options. Timney is a solid choice. Happy chuten.

 

[wesslipka]

I just experienced my first trigger failure last month after a ton of hunting trips and several different styles of competition. My wife's jewel trigger locked up and wouldn't catch the firing pin. I couldn't get it clean at the match and as a result she couldn't finish. It wasn't the trigger's fault I didn't maintain it. I learned my lesson though.

 

[ndking1126]

I bought a Rifle Basix trigger for my Savage build. It was a great trigger for approximately the first 5, 600 times I pulled it. I don't know the exact number, that's my best guess. The edge of the sear rounded off (I think it was the sear..). Thankfully the failure happened at the range and there was no negative consequences from a round being fired when I wasn't expecting it to. Up until that point, the trigger was light and crisp, probably 2lbs. I took it apart, cleaned it, adjusted it and it has been safe to use ever since. Only problem is I had to set it at probably 3lbs and now it has creep. Not impressed and lesson learned.. there's a reason why Timney's and the like cost more. I've asked Trigger Tech to make one for Savage, but so far no luck! Haha

 

[FURMAN]

I can certainly understand what you are saying having had similar experiences and impressions..... until I became active in PRS competition. It's kind of reminiscent of my getting into IPSC back in the early 80's I can remember rarely, if ever having one of my 1911's fail to operate until I began heavily participating in IPSC. IMO, a season of active PRC competition/series may very well subject a rifle to the equivalent of many seasons, or in some cases, a lifetime of hunting, other forms of competition, or general shooting use for many shooters. I have seen more of what I would have considered top quality triggers, actions, scopes and barrels fail that I would not expect to see even under the harshest of hunting conditions...and with experienced, and knowledgeable riflemen. The typical match will see approximately 100 rounds of fast 10+ round/1-2 minute strings from a myriad of positions and a variety of conditions. As importantly, last shot of the match(a long day) must retain the same demanding level of accuracy/precision as the first cold bore shot. I certainly don't consider my experiences or opinions to be the last word on the subject, but I am always intrigued that even in my twight years and decades of shooting, some of my well established ideas and practices are still subject to change or improvement.

Greyfox, your opinion is one of few I consider valuable on the forum. The reason I started branching out is due to reports of Jewell failures. Which triggers have you seen fail?

 

[Rich Coyle]

Well, gentle men, I had a couple failures with Timney. For some reason they would not catch so they would not fire. Timney corrected it both times.

 

[bigngreen]

I had an old Remington 700 trigger that fired twice taking the safety off. I replaced it with a timney that I'm not very pleased with. When you push the Remington trigger to the fire or safe position there's a noticable click when it's engaged . My timney doesn't really click into the fire position and Ive had a few times where I go to fire and nothing happens .I have to force the safety forward and then can fire .Going to replace it some day with something better

Sounds like a stock clearance issue.

 

[palerider3]

I've seen several triggers go down in a match. A couple were saved with lighter fluid, others were DNFs. For a competitive shooter its something that you think about. I keep a small bottle of lighter fluid in my shooting backpack, and I have an extra trigger in my truck at matches. Never had a problem myself, but it's saved a buddy before. Before I got into PRS it wasn't something I'd ever thought about. PRS is significantly tougher on a rifle than hunting.