New ELR Record, Have You Seen This?

[remingtonman_25_06]

Money can, and will always buy and achieve things us normal people can only dream about, so yes, money plays a big part of it. Not that hard of a concept to grasp. And either way, I have a lot better things to spend probably $50K on than to say I hit a target 1 time at 4 miles....Not really on my high priority list in life of things to accomplish when I make $30K a year.

 

[RMulhern]

I'd rather hunt deer with a 105MM howitzer! Four miles ain't squat to it!

 

[Vamike9]

Money can, and will always buy and achieve things us normal people can only dream about, so yes, money plays a big part of it. Not that hard of a concept to grasp. And either way, I have a lot better things to spend probably $50K on than to say I hit a target 1 time at 4 miles....Not really on my high priority list in life of things to accomplish when I make $30K a year.

Oh I know what money it takes to shoot in general.
However, these guys started out with a passion, and like Brian Litz, who has worked with Phillips, are literally at the scientist level...
Trust me when I say this, they are well prepared.

 

[GunHawk]

I'm sure I'll get quite a bit of crap for this, but lobbing lead at a target until all your lucky stars finally line up, doesnt really impress me much...To each their own...I appreciate what they do for the sport by pushing the limits to make consistent hits at the longer ranges for us normal folk.

Absolutely! I saw one of those competitions on TV and wasn't impressed. To me, the idea behind a rifle is one shot gets the job done. What live target is going to sit and wait until you get lucky? Still, at the end of the day, those guys contribute a lot technologically, to our sport.

 

[Rich Coyle]

It appears some on here are not getting the idea this is not about hitting an enemy or an animal. It is possible some are not hunters or military. I have a grandson who is a fantastic shooter. He never hunts and is no longer is in the air force. That doesn't prevent him from outshooting almost anyone who challenges him.

 

[Vamike9]

Absolutely! I saw one of those competitions on TV and wasn't impressed. To me, the idea behind a rifle is one shot gets the job done. What live target is going to sit and wait until you get lucky?

It seems that we're getting off subject a bit here?
This is not a Sniper competition, it is so that we gain data at extremely long distances...
That way that one shot, one kill thing you all are so caught up on is made possible to train our snipers and such.

If I were to say I'm going to go out to shoot at 4 miles today with whatever rifle you can imagine is your favorite, do you think I'd make a first round hit, with no previous data?...
If you do believe it is possible, please read Applied Ballistics by Brian Litz, you need it.

 

[7070yshot]

It would be interesting to see a statistical analysis of a 7,000 yard shot (I didn't read the article). If the rifle was properly aimed each time, how much variation in wind, MV and BC is enough to take it off target?

Looking at his environmental conditions, SD and ES of his ammo and the consistency of his bullets, you can tell how much of a budget he had for aiming with a less than absolutely perfect wind call. That will tell you if it is luck or not.

Glad you asked! I was there and made the ammo for James DeVolgaer's rifle. I was keeping stats on wind, temp, time of day, station pressure and velocity of each shot fired. SD:8 With all
The data I estimated and it's only possible to estimate this. A hit should be made every 75 shots at that distance if ALL conditions are exactly the same. With a 23second time of flight and variable air density the real probability is closer to 1:200.
here is the real kicker later I used the AB software to estimate and it gave a .68% chance of hitting it at all. My own math shows the possibility of a first round impact to be to be 1:6300. Sooo statistically it did come down to stellar team work and excellent shooting skills.

 

[Vamike9]

Glad you asked! I was there and made the ammo for James DeVolgaer's rifle. I was keeping stats on wind, temp, time of day, station pressure and velocity of each shot fired. SD:8 With all
The data I estimated and it's only possible to estimate this. A hit should be made every 75 shots at that distance if ALL conditions are exactly the same. With a 23second time of flight and variable air density the real probability is closer to 1:200.
here is the real kicker later I used the AB software to estimate and it gave a .68% chance of hitting it at all. My own math shows the possibility of a first round impact to be to be 1:6300. Sooo statistically it did come down to stellar team work and excellent shooting skills.

Good deal brother

 

[Yeager]

69 shots? Doesn't impress me a heck of a lot. When a person(not me) can do it repetitively, then they've done something. He still shoots waaaaay better than me though!

Maybe, it is less about the man and more about what man can do if one puts their mind to it? Fun can come, simply, from setting personal goals and succeeding in getting them done. It occurs to me, this is less about an individual and more about a team of individuals? Just thinking, well done.

 

[freddiej]

I knew down deep in my soul I should not even read this thread.. but now that I have.. I am going to just grab the popcorn and watch.. I refuse to get tangled up in this quagmire.

 

[GunHawk]

It seems that we're getting off subject a bit here?
This is not a Sniper competition, it is so that we gain data at extremely long distances...
That way that one shot, one kill thing you all are so caught up on is made possible to train our snipers and such.

If I were to say I'm going to go out to shoot at 4 miles today with whatever rifle you can imagine is your favorite, do you think I'd make a first round hit, with no previous data?...
If you do believe it is possible, please read Applied Ballistics by Brian Litz, you need it.

I understand the point you're making and it's a valid one. But, for me, the whole concept of a rifle is to put every shot on target. That is why we went from smooth bore to rifling, to telescopic sights, to whatever. I want to make it clear that my opinion is just that, not right or wrong. You have a different opinion and I'm not even disagreeing with it, I'm just stating what a rifle represents to me.

 

[tribb]

Guy does have some impressive credentials, but this sounds more like an artillery exercise than a rifle shot. Also, the article doesn't mention how big the barn was they were shooting at.

A barn?

 

[shootski]

I understand the point you're making and it's a valid one. But, for me, the whole concept of a rifle is to put every shot on target. That is why we went from smooth bore to rifling, to telescopic sights, to whatever. I want to make it clear that my opinion is just that, not right or wrong. You have a different opinion and I'm not even disagreeing with it, I'm just stating what a rifle represents to me.

That is one of the reasons i posted the airgun ELR LINK! Until someone pushes the envelope most are content to just accept the typical. Once someone puts it out there; even if they don't get it in the black every time others will watch the effort and see/develop ways to improve on the initial effort.

Just my two centavos!

shootski

 

[milo-2]

To me, the idea behind a rifle is one shot gets the job done. What live target is going to sit and wait until you get lucky? Still, at the end of the day, those guys contribute a lot technologically, to our sport.

On this, I understand that it is well documented, some dude with an rpg in the middle east stuck around for round # 3 at 2600 yards and is no more. 50 cal baby!