My thoughts on solid copper bullets and in comparison to other bullet types.

[bigngreen]

This was the thread in question, in case you hadn't seen it.

AZ Coues deer-6.5 Creedmore and Hammers

As I promised... a report on my Coues deer hunt in AZ, with the 6.5 Creed, and the 85 grain Hammers. I harvested a beautiful 110" buck at 430 yards! My gun is a Wby Vanguard RC, stock box factory. Range Certified (RC), with a Leupold Vx6, 4-12 power, with the CDS dial, for the 85 grain Hammer at...

www.longrangehunting.com

That was a tough read!! Was there a single bullet that went through the vitals? You have gross miss, then one just under the spine over the lungs which unless you shoot a bullet that really grenades and cuts the dorsal aorta you might run into issues. Then shot three is below the heart and back, last I looked inside a deer if you put a bullet anywhere BETWEEN the ones that hit he would have had something. We all screw the pooch, happens, it's hard to recover from a first round being so far off, that's usually the point it's just better to put the gun away and start over cause it's not going to get much better.
We've killed a lot of whitetail out to the 600 yard range with a 22-250 and a 52 gr bullet, you gotta put them in the middle though!! Super nice buck awesome he finished it out and recovered him, better shooting works mo better!!

 

[HARPERC]

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HARPERC did you tag me for a response?

Nope, just saw your other posts thought you'd be interested.

 

[ButterBean]

Thanks. That one is hard to figure.

I tried to put the OP of the that tread in touch with you and I don't think he ever got ahold of you

 

[Hard rock]

I tried to put the OP of the that tread in touch with you and I don't think he ever got ahold of you

I know from experience if you hit close too or in the no man's land and miss or clip the lungs the blood trail is not going too start until it spews from the nose. A deer can go along ways if the heart is still pumping until the lungs collapse . Once the adrenaline is pumping it's a different ball game . I've seen it all . If I have tracking job too do I will find the animal if shot in a vital spot with a good bullet . That range is putting that little bullet too the test though. I read the entire post that can happen with any bullet.

 

[RidgeTop]

Are copper bullets 100% copper? Seems to me at one time Remington had a bronz tipped bullet.

I think hydro and hydraulic for this discussion are similar.

Our first step as a Medic for a GSW is to stop bleeding, ensure airway and then treat for shock. We did not care where the shock came from, just treat it as soon as possible.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Are copper bullets 100% copper? Seems to me at one time Remington had a bronz tipped bullet.

I think hydro and hydraulic for this discussion are similar.

Our first step as a Medic for a GSW is to stop bleeding, ensure airway and then treat for shock. We did not care where the shock came from, just treat it as soon as possible.

Our bullets are 99.98% copper. Close enough that I call them pure copper.

 

[FEENIX]

Are copper bullets 100% copper? Seems to me at one time Remington had a bronz tipped bullet.

I think hydro and hydraulic for this discussion are similar.

Our first step as a Medic for a GSW is to stop bleeding, ensure airway and then treat for shock. We did not care where the shock came from, just treat it as soon as possible.

An LRH member was nice enough to volunteer to conduct bullet analysis and share the following copper bullets noted in the spreadsheet. Cheers!

Bruker Nano GmbH, Germany
Quantification results
Mass percent (%)
Date:
Spectrum	Cu
BARLRX_308200 21.spx	99.41
BD2_26125 20.spx	99.31589​
BD2_26125 19.spx	99.24028​
BARLRX_308200 22.spx	99.17328​
CBB308168 17.spx	99.14582​
CBB308168 18.spx	99.08929​
HAM308178 11.spx	99.07997​
HAM25117 15.spx	99.01849​
HAM308178 3.spx	98.99935​
HAM25117 16.spx	98.89941​
HAM308178 12.spx	98.79048​
CYG25117 14.spx	98.78272​
HAM308178 4.spx	98.72898​
CYG25117 13.spx	98.69757​
HAM25117 5.spx	98.66783​
CYG308178 10.spx	98.64048​
HAM25117 6.spx	98.62495​
CYG308178 9.spx	98.60255​
CYG308178 8.spx	98.55894​
BNS308168 29.spx	96.88887​
BNS690 31.spx	96.53794​
BNS308168 30.spx	96.32752​
HORGMX_01 11.spx	96.22972​
HORGMX_01 12.spx	96.10689​
BNS690 32.spx	95.85589​
Cu_std_block_Rh_50kV_399_microAmp_05042022_1	93.48453​
GMX685 27.spx	93.33799​
GMX685 28.spx	93.05818​
GMX2139 25.spx	92.13512​
GMX2139 26.spx	91.96168​
GSC26110 24.spx	91.74521​
GSC26110 23.spx	91.35859​
stage_blank 7.spx	0.511236​
Mean value:	94.09108​
Std. Abw.:	17.00668​
Std. Abw. rel. [%]:	18.0747​
Conf. interval:	2.960483​

 

[RockyMtnMT]

An LRH member was nice enough to volunteer to conduct bullet analysis and share the following copper bullets noted in the spreadsheet. Cheers!

Bruker Nano GmbH, Germany
Quantification results
Mass percent (%)
Date:
Spectrum	Cu
BARLRX_308200 21.spx	99.41
BD2_26125 20.spx	99.31589​
BD2_26125 19.spx	99.24028​
BARLRX_308200 22.spx	99.17328​
CBB308168 17.spx	99.14582​
CBB308168 18.spx	99.08929​
HAM308178 11.spx	99.07997​
HAM25117 15.spx	99.01849​
HAM308178 3.spx	98.99935​
HAM25117 16.spx	98.89941​
HAM308178 12.spx	98.79048​
CYG25117 14.spx	98.78272​
HAM308178 4.spx	98.72898​
CYG25117 13.spx	98.69757​
HAM25117 5.spx	98.66783​
CYG308178 10.spx	98.64048​
HAM25117 6.spx	98.62495​
CYG308178 9.spx	98.60255​
CYG308178 8.spx	98.55894​
BNS308168 29.spx	96.88887​
BNS690 31.spx	96.53794​
BNS308168 30.spx	96.32752​
HORGMX_01 11.spx	96.22972​
HORGMX_01 12.spx	96.10689​
BNS690 32.spx	95.85589​
Cu_std_block_Rh_50kV_399_microAmp_05042022_1	93.48453​
GMX685 27.spx	93.33799​
GMX685 28.spx	93.05818​
GMX2139 25.spx	92.13512​
GMX2139 26.spx	91.96168​
GSC26110 24.spx	91.74521​
GSC26110 23.spx	91.35859​
stage_blank 7.spx	0.511236​
Mean value:	94.09108​
Std. Abw.:	17.00668​
Std. Abw. rel. [%]:	18.0747​
Conf. interval:	2.960483​

Our copper supplier must be falsifying the certs for our copper?

Our certs show 99.98% cu and .02% other.

 

[cabelasken]

Our copper supplier must be falsifying the certs for our copper?

Our certs show 99.98% cu and .02% other.

Test accuracy may not be that precise. We do a lot of testing at the refinery on metalurgy and they always will state a range of accuracy and we need to know the best available information. I use the results to compare differences between manufacturers if the testing was done with the same machine.

Also, with the velocities we are obtaining and the heat generated to the bullet, I would question whether the lead was still in a solid state when it strikes an animal. In the least, it would be very very soft. That was another reason I switched to solid copper years ago.

 

[FEENIX]

Our copper supplier must be falsifying the certs for our copper?

Our certs show 99.98% cu and .02% other.

Only your supplier can answer that. The LRH member that conducted the test/analysis knows it is posted and is free to engage if he wants.

 

[bigngreen]

Everything has a range, if you've ever cut a lot of barrels you can tell lot differences by how they cut but not on paper, there some dark arts to some of it, even ordering the same exact steel from two different places will yield different qualities in the lathe but their the same on paper, I always thought it was pure chemistry, it's something I'd like to learn more about!!

 

[bigngreen]

It's interesting comparative data, how to apply it maybe interesting!!

 

[ButterBean]

Our copper supplier must be falsifying the certs for our copper?

Our certs show 99.98% cu and .02% other.

Yeah I wasn't gonna say anything since the Chief shared that again so it must gospel

 

[ButterBean]

Only your supplier can answer that. The LRH member that conducted the test/analysis knows it is posted and is free to engage if he wants.

Wasn't that a third unnamed party that Petey used for that comparison?