bigngreen
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Looks like the reason some of us anneal the target bullets, the nose on some of the target versions are very resistant to opening.
Long Range thick skin bullets
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elkaholic
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http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/moose-down-778m-121909/
A new Forum member falls into the 'failure' category, because of errant bullet selection on another moose hunt. Selected the 210 gr Berger VLD match bullets for his 300 Win Mag. That would have to be the conclusion, IF your position is that Berger and other target-style bullets don't fail when used on moose-sized game animals. That's not my conclusion. First bullet doesn't make it to the spinal column at 850 yd.
Second bullet doesn't expand while entering between the ribs - a successful heart shot. Yes the bull moose did die. So maybe the hunter didn't fail after all?
Now the member is researching bullets in preparation for next years moose hunt.
That looks exactly like every Berger that I have recovered that was fired under 2000'........Rich
I just looked up the velocity on JBM and if his MV was 2950' retained velocity at 850 would be approx. 1868'
MontanaRifleman
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I got about 1780 fps using 500' elevation
elkaholic
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Could be. I just plugged in 2500' and 40 degrees which is what I have hear. Don't know what elev. he was at......Rich
MontanaRifleman
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Slave lake is 500
ICANHITHIMMAN
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lets hear about this annealing procedure ?
elkaholic
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stenger
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It would be nice to know why the thread title was changed!!! I did not do it!! Someone must be on the payroll for berger. How much for a banner that's reads berger bullets failed on a moose!!!
stenger
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Berger failure number 2
Whitetail deer
Range 760
Shoulder shot broadside
300 grain hunting .338
338 lapua
Velocity 2825
Bullet punched straight though the deer. Pencile hole in pencile hole out deer ran away with a busted shoulder. Happened last year might have pic of bullet cause we found it in the dirt. Expansion was poor once again. I was not going to post about this but after all the excuses on this topic I figure you should know. Like I said before we have had good luck with berger on deer before so I just thought it was a fluke but now i am starting to see a problem. First the moose was to close, poor bullet choice, wrong angle and the list goes on. So now we have the deer and it was not to close, the velocity was right and it was broadside. So now we have proper bullet choice, shot angle, and velocity with a shoulder hit. I am confused should we shoot far or close cause we had two bullets fail in two years.
Whitetail deer
Range 760
Shoulder shot broadside
300 grain hunting .338
338 lapua
Velocity 2825
Bullet punched straight though the deer. Pencile hole in pencile hole out deer ran away with a busted shoulder. Happened last year might have pic of bullet cause we found it in the dirt. Expansion was poor once again. I was not going to post about this but after all the excuses on this topic I figure you should know. Like I said before we have had good luck with berger on deer before so I just thought it was a fluke but now i am starting to see a problem. First the moose was to close, poor bullet choice, wrong angle and the list goes on. So now we have the deer and it was not to close, the velocity was right and it was broadside. So now we have proper bullet choice, shot angle, and velocity with a shoulder hit. I am confused should we shoot far or close cause we had two bullets fail in two years.
stenger
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I must have tossed the pic. Sorry
It looked exactly like the bullet in post#198 if that helps
It looked exactly like the bullet in post#198 if that helps
MontanaRifleman
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Maybe because the management viewed the "fail" part as inaccurate and a misrepresentation. A lot of people including myself would agree based on the fact that the moose was killed and recovered. It may not have performed to your liking but the moose is dead.
You got a lot of good analysis and advise. I would suggest considering it.
As for the deer shot, hard to tell what happened there. maybe a damaged or blocked meplat? In any case, it is very inconsistent with others results.
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/berger-230-300-otm-hybrid-terminal-results-80283/
Re: Long Range thick skin bullets - Bergers Succeed
Well, all things considered, it's fair to conclude that Berger Bullets was, in the end, successful. The Title has been changed, because their bullets don't ever fail.
If only the consumer were equally fail-proofed. We'd then have 100% success. Just like Outdoor Life and Field & Stream.
Well, all things considered, it's fair to conclude that Berger Bullets was, in the end, successful. The Title has been changed, because their bullets don't ever fail.
If only the consumer were equally fail-proofed. We'd then have 100% success. Just like Outdoor Life and Field & Stream.
MontanaRifleman
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Re: Long Range thick skin bullets - Bergers Succeed
Awww, c'mon Paul... the evidence in this thread did not support bullet "failure". Poor performance maybe, but not failure. And the poor performance end of it has been thoroughly hashed out.
This thread should be about lessons learned with shooting 250 gr bullets out of a 338 LM @ close range with a less than optimum angle on a very large animal. No more, no less.
I say leave the finger pointing out of it, all the finger pointing, and decide what to do better in the future.
Awww, c'mon Paul... the evidence in this thread did not support bullet "failure". Poor performance maybe, but not failure. And the poor performance end of it has been thoroughly hashed out.
This thread should be about lessons learned with shooting 250 gr bullets out of a 338 LM @ close range with a less than optimum angle on a very large animal. No more, no less.
I say leave the finger pointing out of it, all the finger pointing, and decide what to do better in the future.
ICANHITHIMMAN
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I would suggest you stop posting the hunts of others, as its not helping you brother. I have fallen victim to this as well in the past, if you were not there don't defend or condemn the bullet.
