In the Ear? Really???

[scrmblr1982cj8]

According to a number of people, the recoil on an AR should be less since a good portion of the recoil energy is directed towards cycling the bolt. I've got a few AR-10s that seem to kick worse than a bolt action .308. I think the movement of the bolt increases the felt recoil to the shooter.

If you are considering the LaRue but are concerned about perceived/felt recoil, consider swapping out the muzzle brake. The Little Bas$&rd supposedly reduces felt recoil between 30-50%. Not sure if the reports are accurate, but something to consider.

I've got a Savage 10BA in .338 LM. The thing has a huge muzzel brake, and as a result, the recoil is comparable to a 12ga slug. It is UNGODLY loud and will blow everything off the bench, but it does a good job of reducing recoil.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Packrat 6]

Like i said, I don't have the rifle and am just running on what my brother told me and am wondering about the rifle. My cousin bought the rifle and Scope on my recommendation, which I received from Coy as being a good weapon. My cousin is an airhead and it's possible that I might be able to acquire it for a substantial reduction in price from what he paid. In one of the pictures Coy posted, his grandson got a hog with a 308 AR, and wondered if it was the LaRue.

My Springfield M1A NM doesn't have what appears to me to have a lot of kick, but then it is a heavy rifle at about 11 lbs. I know there are a lot of different options, just was wondering about the Mercury recoil suppressor since it worked great on my shotgun and was thinking about trying one in the Springfield cleaning kit holes in the butt just to see what happens. Don't figure it will ever get down to handling like a .22, but just playing and am curious.

Not really concerned about the recoil, but my brother said it was more than he was used to, and was curious.

The funnest weapon I've ever fired was a M-60 7.62 x 51 machine gun since it has a gas operated piston that slams forward when the round goes off. Virtually no recoil and after firing from the prone, you have to pull it back into your shoulder if you fire more than about 10 rounds. Can be fired from the hip by an 8 year old. (Colonels son) Often wondered why no rifles have used the same concept.

Packrat

 

[Coy Franks]

Packrat,

It was a LaRue PredatAR in 308. He was 10 years old when shot it for the first time. He killed his first hog with it the first time he used it. We all shot it even his little brother who was 5 years old. It did not kick!! I don't know why. We were shooting 168's and 150's and there was no perceived difference in recoil that we could tell. I shot a DPMS LR308 and it would beat you up pretty good. I have since learned that an adjustable gas block will take a lot of the kick out because those rifles were over gassed. Maybe his LaRue is over gassed but I doubt it.

 

[Packrat 6]

Thanks Coy, My brother can be kind of wimpy at times, but i thought that your grandson had fired it and was kind of puzzled. Then again, it may be that he is hassling me in his own way.

I was thinking already of how to reduce the recoil if it had been one of the Riles that kicks like a mule, but don't think that if your Grand kids fired it, it's going to be a problem. Would hate to spend the kind of money that it's going to take if I didn't enjoy shooting it.

Also, good to know that there are alternatives if it is over gassed, but not going to say anything to John or Harold about it until after the first Hog hunt. Would give a lot to be there, but not in the cards.

Packrat

 

[Packrat 6]

Did you go ahead and get the Grendel 6.5? I know you were talking about it as a possible and it's a pretty nice round.

Just wondering.

When are you going to get a Camera, would like to see some of those hogs you get!

Packrat

 

[scrmblr1982cj8]

Packrat,

Let me see if I've got this straight - you tell your cousin to buy this rifle/scope combo with the knowledge that it may be too much for him who will then sell it to you at a steep discount? hmmmmmm... Very crafty!

 

[djones]

My Springfield M1A NM doesn't have what appears to me to have a lot of kick...

Packrat

sackrat,
you might notice a little more recoil if you took it out of the lead sled and shouldered the thing when firing.

adj gas block, buffer, buffer tube spring are ways to tune an AR... may take some experimentation to get it to cycle and lock back properly. if your brass is landing above 3:00 o'clock it might be over gassed.

an efficient brake will probably help most with recoil. i've shot some heavy calibers that recoiled less with a brake than a suppressor.

 

[Coy Franks]

Did you go ahead and get the Grendel 6.5? I know you were talking about it as a possible and it's a pretty nice round.

Just wondering.

When are you going to get a Camera, would like to see some of those hogs you get!

Packrat

I haven't done a thing yet. Leaning more to the GII Recon since I already shoot 308. I like my bullet combination for it so it will be hard to leave.

If I had a camera I'd either forget and leave it somewhere or lose it in the brush. No smart phone because I'm not packing around a pair of glasses to read the dang thing for the same reason.

 

[Packrat 6]

Packrat,

Let me see if I've got this straight - you tell your cousin to buy this rifle/scope combo with the knowledge that it may be too much for him who will then sell it to you at a steep discount? hmmmmmm... Very crafty!

Scrmblr. go back and read back about 20 -30 pages, the whole story is there. It was quite an embarrassment to have to admit I had a Lawyer in the family so setting him up to get me a new Rifle was a way of atoning for that same embarrassment over the years......LOL

Packrat

 

[Packrat 6]

sackrat,
you might notice a little more recoil if you took it out of the lead sled and shouldered the thing when firing.

I have an archangel stock for it, but is bulky when carrying it. reduces the weight to about 9.5 Lbs, but not as fast when tracking for quick shots. Been looking for a synthetic stock for it, but would have to have it modified to shorten it to about 12 1/2" LOP. Can modify a wood stock, but don't know **** about modifying synthetics.

The really heavy rifle was the Springfield Super match. With the 6-24 x 56 scope, bi-pod and extra heavy wood stock, felt like I was carrying a anvil. Put it in the 1750 Pelican case and the whole think weighed about 40 #. In a way, glad I sold it and the guy that bought it with all the accessories actually paid more for it than if he had ordered it piecemeal. One of the reasons i was looking into an AR.

adj gas block, buffer, buffer tube spring are ways to tune an AR... may take some experimentation to get it to cycle and lock back properly. if your brass is landing above 3:00 o'clock it might be over gassed.

Thanks, good to know. After i shoot it, I may be back to see what needs to be done.

an efficient brake will probably help most with recoil. I've shot some heavy calibers that recoiled less with a brake than a suppressor.

Yeah, if you can stand the noise level. Real good way to clear brush in front of you though. Saves on buying a brush hog. I actually think the sound waves and concussion from the firing kill the target more than the bullet!..............

Thanks for the input.

Packrat

 

[Packrat 6]

No smart phone because I'm not packing around a pair of glasses to read the dang thing for the same reason.

Coy, the phone my company sent me is a small 2"x 3" but has photo capability. You just hit the control on the side that says Photo, take the picture and when you get back to the house can download it to the computer. So simple an old F*rt like me can do it. don't want a smart phone, too many relatives to bug me, and I don't have a Facebook or Skype or other memberships.

The photo's are not the quality of the portable Photo Studio that djones carries around with him, but takes pretty clear pictures.

Packrat

 

[Packrat 6]

I was sitting here waiting for someone to post something and happened to look at the invoice I was given for my wife's medication I picked up yesterday. 60 Pills = $456.00. Her insurance paid for it and there was no co-pay, but can't figure out why the price of something here is so expensive when I can go over the border to Nogales, Sonora, Mexico and pick up the exact same medicine, same package, same Manufacturer and in some cases with a newer manufacturing date, for $28.00. Anyone ever think maybe we should get kissed when we pick up medications, because someone is sure getting screwed.

Reminds me of when we were down in Micronesia and Upjohn Pharmaceuticals was trying to open a new market in that area. They came in with a multi- million dollar marketing campaign and everywhere you looked there were billboards, ads, flyers and all the radio and Television ads. They tried to get people to buy their products for about 6 months and at the end, they finally closed it down for total lack of sales. Unofficially I heard that they had sold less than $10,000 worth of products.

When I asked one of the Islanders why they didn't buy their products, he told me they depended on natural and household remedy products to accomplish the same thing. In example, he said that if you ever got constipated, to take a coconut palm frond, place it in a bowl of water and crush it. Then remove the fibers and drink the somewhat milky solution. Well, I guess he was right because with fronds like that, who needs enema's?

Packrat

 

[scrmblr1982cj8]

prices are higher in the U.S. than for the same product abroad. I work for a group of physicians, so I'm familiar with pricing. A few years ago my daughter broke her right tibia and fibula and had a titanium rod placed inside her tibia. The rod is basically a big nail. The bill showed that the hospital charged the insurance company $11k for the rod. Street value for the amount of metal in the rod was less than $400. Hospitals mark up implants since insurance companies will pay for them and the revenue helps offset losses from patients that don't have insurance or insurance that doesn't pay the hospitals much.

It's all a big game.

 

[scrmblr1982cj8]

I went hog hunting this morning with my friend Patrick. We found two hogs grazing in a soybean field and shot at them from approximately 165 yards. We were not able to recover the one I shot, but Patrick was able to recover his first hog kill. He used a Marlin lever action in .45-70.