Bullet Construction vs Lethality

You're losing me with this approach. Is it all about price now? Are you implying Mark is price gouging and ripping off his customers?

Be proud of your prices, but don't sink to this level now.
Not implying anything. Just stating the facts that are out there on their web site. The bullets look similar, BCs are close, don't know about expansion yet, but there seems to be a large difference in the per bullet price. I have to ask myself : " Am I not charging enough? " Just being brutally honest and asking the opinion of the marketplace.
 
Not implying anything. Just stating the facts that are out there on their web site. The bullets look similar, BCs are close, don't know about expansion yet, but there seems to be a large difference in the per bullet price. I have to ask myself : " Am I not charging enough? " Just being brutally honest and asking the opinion of the marketplace.
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Maybe you aren't 🤷🏼‍♂️. We'd need to compare the manufacturing cost to bring them to the consumer. I'd bet it varies widely from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Does a higher price or lower price produce more lethality? Just kidding…
 
I am pretty sure you do not have the exact operating costs. If you need to increase your price to offset your operating cost to generate a profit margin and worth the risk, go for it.
With the current volume of sales, you are probably right. I have to take into account that costs of daily living, such as food and fuel, have gone up a lot in the past 2-3 years. Bullets, hunting and guns are highly discretionary items that take a back seat when budgets are tight. It's just simple economics. I fear that raising prices would tend to lessen demand for our product. It's the sort of thinking that goes through any manufacturer's head.
 
With the current volume of sales, you are probably right. I have to take into account that costs of daily living, such as food and fuel, have gone up a lot in the past 2-3 years. Bullets, hunting and guns are highly discretionary items that take a back seat when budgets are tight. It's just simple economics. I fear that raising prices would tend to lessen demand for our product. It's the sort of thinking that goes through any manufacturer's head.
Or anyone else that owns a business that sells goods and services. Setting a fair price for both the consumer AND the business owner is tough.
 
Or anyone else that owns a business that sells goods and services. Setting a fair price for both the consumer AND the business owner is tough.
Hopefully we can get off this subject soon, but the issue of price setting is no more difficult than in a grocery store. The margins there are razor thin ( I have heard between 2-5%). That means the prices you pay for food items largely reflects the supplier's price. The grocery store owner hopes he can make the income he needs by larger volume sales. Makes it tough as you say. For us is when it comes time to buy 1000-2000 pounds of copper bar stock, do we have to deal with s rising price? Is the copper quality on this batch going to be good enough or will I have to return it and lose the restocking fee? There clearly a crap shoot aspect yo all this.
 
Hopefully we can get off this subject soon, but the issue of price setting is no more difficult than in a grocery store. The margins there are razor thin ( I have heard between 2-5%). That means the prices you pay for food items largely reflects the supplier's price. The grocery store owner hopes he can make the income he needs by larger volume sales. Makes it tough as you say. For us is when it comes time to buy 1000-2000 pounds of copper bar stock, do we have to deal with s rising price? Is the copper quality on this batch going to be good enough or will I have to return it and lose the restocking fee? There clearly a crap shoot aspect yo all this.
Yep. A lot goes into it that many simply do not even think about or understand.
 
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Maybe you aren't 🤷🏼‍♂️. We'd need to compare the manufacturing cost to bring them to the consumer. I'd bet it varies widely from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Does a higher price or lower price produce more lethality? Just kidding…
Depends what the target is. In the case of the wallet, we all know what is more lethal. 🤣
 
With the current volume of sales, you are probably right. I have to take into account that costs of daily living, such as food and fuel, have gone up a lot in the past 2-3 years. Bullets, hunting and guns are highly discretionary items that take a back seat when budgets are tight. It's just simple economics. I fear that raising prices would tend to lessen demand for our product. It's the sort of thinking that goes through any manufacturer's head.
It's a delicate balance. I'm willing to pay a premium for high BC solids, but there is a limit. Approaching $1.50 per pill is probably at or beyond the limit for many, including me. High cost is likely one of the reasons so many folks are clinging to cup and core.

I haven't added it up but since I started reloading several years ago I'm shooting more than 1,000 rounds per year as I'm developing loads for different bullets in various rifles chambers and practicing at long range. Get's kind of pricey.
 
It's a delicate balance. I'm willing to pay a premium for high BC solids, but there is a limit. Approaching $1.50 per pill is probably at or beyond the limit for many, including me. High cost is likely one of the reasons so many folks are clinging to cup and core.

I haven't added it up but since I started reloading several years ago I'm shooting more than 1,000 rounds per year as I'm developing loads for different bullets in various rifles chambers and practicing at long range. Get's kind of pricey.
This!
 
It's a delicate balance. I'm willing to pay a premium for high BC solids, but there is a limit. Approaching $1.50 per pill is probably at or beyond the limit for many, including me. High cost is likely one of the reasons so many folks are clinging to cup and core.

I haven't added it up but since I started reloading several years ago I'm shooting more than 1,000 rounds per year as I'm developing loads for different bullets in various rifles chambers and practicing at long range. Get's kind of pricey.
That, and the fact they work.

I'm a gear head and have a big roll around box full of tools. Most of my wrenches and sockets are older Craftsman. Snap On tools are a lot more expensive than the Craftsman I have, but are they better? For what I do, no, for the guy making his living with them, probably. The added benefit of buying Craftsman tools when I did was that I could buy a lot more tools for the same money and more tools allows me to perform more tasks.

In my case the extra cost of Snap On tools adds no value over the cheaper Craftsman tools. I'm of the same opinion on "premium" copper bullets, the value isn't there for what I'd use them for. Heck, I don't drink starbucks either. LOL
 
That, and the fact they work.

I'm a gear head and have a big roll around box full of tools. Most of my wrenches and sockets are older Craftsman. Snap On tools are a lot more expensive than the Craftsman I have, but are they better? For what I do, no, for the guy making his living with them, probably. The added benefit of buying Craftsman tools when I did was that I could buy a lot more tools for the same money and more tools allows me to perform more tasks.

In my case the extra cost of Snap On tools adds no value over the cheaper Craftsman tools. I'm of the same opinion on "premium" copper bullets, the value isn't there for what I'd use them for. Heck, I don't drink starbucks either. LOL
Yep, value-added is another reality regardless of products/services, especially in today's economy - what is the consumer willing and able to pay for the premium offering?
 
It's a delicate balance. I'm willing to pay a premium for high BC solids, but there is a limit. Approaching $1.50 per pill is probably at or beyond the limit for many, including me. High cost is likely one of the reasons so many folks are clinging to cup and core.

I haven't added it up but since I started reloading several years ago I'm shooting more than 1,000 rounds per year as I'm developing loads for different bullets in various rifles chambers and practicing at long range. Get's kind of pricey.
I certainly agree. We designed the bullets to be primarily hunting bullets that can perform reliably at distances and speeds that exceed what current bullets, lead core and copper can do. In any hunt, whether paid guided or a hunt solo ghere are increasing costs snd ultimately it comes down to that one shot making the bullet the most critical but comparatively the least expensive item on the set of materials and equipment it took to get to that point. I have had my share of lead core and all copper bullet failures and I knew we could design around that with copper, but to do it well I had to understand rifle bullets from the ground up. When I finally met a fellow who also was mechanically gifted and was trying to also make improved bullets, we paired up and started the company. He is gone now, but we did produce a second generation set of bullets that fit the bill we wanted. We had to be careful not to price ourselves out of the market. We know that reloaders are inherently experimenters and will try all brands of bullets. What we would like to see is that when it comes to harvesting game, the Badlands Bulldozer is the best.
 

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