6.5 CM vs 7MM-08 head to head ...

[NEMTHunter]

Worst part is I shoot a 28 Nosler

<<<<<<<Points Finger and laughs.....

That did make me want to laugh though! My two favorite calibers are .243 and .308 Anything in between is just a filler... LOL

With that said its hard to not respect the quality and BC of some of the 7mm bullets.

 

[TG-5150]

How fast can a 7-08ai drive a 180?
If varget is the powder for 308
And h4350 the powder for 6.5,
What's the ideal powder or burn rate of powders for the 7mm-08?

I haven't been past the 140 class bullets yet, from what I've studied it doesn't have the case capacity to drive anything over 160 class bullets.
I loved varget in the .308 it used to be.

In my 7-08 a.i. I'm currently using 4831sc with awesome results and am using up some 139 SSTs.

 

[Gord0]

I just picked up a 6.5 creedmoor. Because it's way better than my 300 win mag. At least that's what the guy behind the counter said... 7-08, who would want such an old antiquated design when you could shoot a 28 nosler instead! They're comparable, right?


End sarcasm.

They all have their good points, and bad. There is no perfect cartridge for everything, only perfect for a certain shooter in a certain situation.

 

[jjmp]

My 1/9 Lilja 708 dotes on h4350 with 150s 160s &168s she sports a 27 inch #3 cm ,bbl. Very happy with her performance , had her built long before the cdm was thought up .love the223,220swift, 243 2506,308 270,30/06 ,7mag 270wsm ,7STW ,338 w/mag , heck I'm vested in what I've got! & I can't outshoot them yet , but that's half the fun ain't it ?!. Some truthful common sence comments made but they get drowned out by to much Horse hockey !!!

 

[J E Custom]

I posted earlier on this comparison and just thought I would post another comparison that Is a more Apples to Apples comparison with
no bias or opinion on which is best. just a fair comparison with considerations for ether cartridge.



J E CUSTOM

 

[Pmacc60]

Great information , another example of Remington dropping the ball !

 

[MudRunner2005]

Great information , another example of Remington dropping the ball !

They've been good at that since the 90's...

 

[Pmacc60]

They've been good at that since the 90's...

I believe they have done this since the early sixties. Remington has had some horrible fails and all because they did not promote / market what they had or put these new creations in the wrong rifles . They had the 6.5 Rem mag in the sixties a true short mag , what did they do with it?? Put it in the model 600 a fine little carbine but seriously apples to oranges. 280 rem another great cartridge that never took off. 6mm , 8mm all the saum's. All this great development without developing rifles , billets and marketing . A **** shame.

 

[FEENIX]

I posted earlier on this comparison and just thought I would post another comparison that Is a more Apples to Apples comparison with
no bias or opinion on which is best. just a fair comparison with considerations for ether cartridge.



J E CUSTOM

I have seen the article before and it was nicely done. I also posted before that it is "not" the intent of article to compare apples to apples as indicative of the series of head to head articles as previously noted in #35.

"We" all have different kind of biases and it's OK, it's human nature. It is up to the end-user to decipher the information being presented and areas of concerns for further investigation, clarification, and validation.

On this article, the author also did a fair comparison of the two different chamberings and acknowledge his self-bias (which is OK too) at the end ...

"I was raised to judge a cartridge by its flexibility and its universal appeal, and in this instance I feel that a big game hunter who owns one rifle in 7mm-08 Remington has more options than the hunter who owns one Creedmoor rifle."

Cheers!

 

[Pmacc60]

I found it as good as unbiased as it gets and I will probably read them all ! I am new to the site and I have to say it's been great! A wealth of information and user participation ! I'm like a kid in a candy store. Great job all you guys.

 

[FEENIX]

I believe they have done this since the early sixties. Remington has had some horrible fails and all because they did not promote / market what they had or put these new creations in the wrong rifles . They had the 6.5 Rem mag in the sixties a true short mag , what did they do with it?? Put it in the model 600 a fine little carbine but seriously apples to oranges. 280 rem another great cartridge that never took off. 6mm , 8mm all the saum's. All this great development without developing rifles , billets and marketing . A ---- shame.

Well said Sir! Hype or not, proper and timely marketing can be an effective instrument. Hornady is not a rifle manufacturer but they seem to have a good handle on marketing and collaboration/partnership efforts with other companies (i.e., rifle manufacturers) in support of their products.

 

[Pmacc60]

I could not agree with you more Ruger and Hornady combined on the 204 Ruger and it became the rage! Several others come to mind! Remington however would have blown it. I just talked to a retired Remington /DuPont employee sent to Ellion, NY to set up automated checking machines in the seventies.We discussed the problems of Remington and I told him of my perceived failures to which he responded , Remington needs to have someone like you on thier development team. I told him that I was talking anything that the shooting community does know or say and everyone on this site would be just as helpful. It's disurbing that they are so disconnected at Remington.

 

[SMK1000plus]

I will note one thing... He missed the date for the 7mm RemMag's introduction... It was introduced in 1962 (at the exact same time as the brand new Model 700), not 1963.

Yes, I recently acquired a Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag that was manufactured in July, 1962. It was not marked "Stainless" on the barrel, even though it is polished blued 410 series stainless. Remington didn't mark them as "Stainless" until sometime in mid 1963. This rifle has a factory cutout at the top, in the rear portion of the action port. It's the only Remington 700 that I've ever seen with that.

I have another Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag that was manufactured in August, 1965 and the barrel is marked "Stainless". It is also polished blued 410 stainless but, does not have the cutout in the top rear action port. I know several cousins and friends have these mid 1960s Remington 700 7mm Rem Mags with blued 410 stainless barrel, and every one of these, including mine, shoot well below MOA for 3 rounds, with just about any factory round you put through it, in the140gr to 168gr range! I'm not sure why they shoot so good but, I've seen it first hand. ALL these shoot extremely well, where as you have about a 1 in 10 chance of finding a 700 7mm Rem Mag that shoots as well as these, manufactured after Remington began offering only chrom-moly or 416 series stainless barrels.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Yes, I recently acquired a Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag that was manufactured in July, 1962. It was not marked "Stainless" on the barrel, even though it is polished blued 410 series stainless. Remington didn't mark them as "Stainless" until sometime in mid 1963. This rifle has a factory cutout at the top, in the rear portion of the action port. It's the only Remington 700 that I've ever seen with that.

I have another Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag that was manufactured in August, 1965 and the barrel is marked "Stainless". It is also polished blued 410 stainless but, does not have the cutout in the top rear action port. I know several cousins and friends have these mid 1960s Remington 700 7mm Rem Mags with blued 410 stainless barrel, and every one of these, including mine, shoot well below MOA for 3 rounds, with just about any factory round you put through it, in the140gr to 168gr range! I'm not sure why they shoot so good but, I've seen it first hand. ALL these shoot extremely well, where as you have about a 1 in 10 chance of finding a 700 7mm Rem Mag that shoots as well as these, manufactured after Remington began offering only chrom-moly or 416 series stainless barrels.

That must be an old 5-digit serial number rifle. Some of the first 700 magnums had those grooves cut into them for a relief cut for loading the longer .300 H&H mags and such, but I guess they realized it wasn't necessary for the 7mmRM's COAL, so the bolt doesn't go farther back on the 7mm RemMags. I guess they used a standard bolt stop for the 7mmRM's, but a modified bolt stop for the longer H&H mags.