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30 NOSLER OR 300 PRC

The fact is most of your posts add no value to the thread. You obviously can not see that.

Do you have either cartridge? If so share that experience and move on. Better yet do you have experience with both? Probably not. Too many people on this forum chime in with little to no real world experience. Every single one of us is capable of interjecting with an opinion but that does nothing for the OP. The sad thing is new guys see a guy like you with high post count and assume you know what you are talking about and I believe in some if not most cases you do but all too often you just disrupt the thread and then when it is pointed out you double down. You can come back with some witty response to how you disagree but what would be best is if you just bow out or add some real world experience with the two cartridges being discussed.
Do I have either PRC cartridge? No...And never will. But I do know enough about the cartridges and their design, and their parent cartridges, and wildcats, to get a very accurate measure of their real-world (non-hyped) performance levels and capabilities.
 
Do I have either PRC cartridge? No...And never will. But I do know enough about the cartridges and their design, and their parent cartridges, and wildcats, to get a very accurate measure of their real-world (non-hyped) performance levels and capabilities.


Exactly what I thought. Nothing of value to add.
 
The 30 Nosler will push a 215 Berger 3100 fps in a 26" barrel with H1000. The PRC is not going to do that. The 30 Nosler has ADG brass as well. Its a great design. The 30 Nosler is very hard to beat. Just have the reamer spec'd with a .225" freebore and it will beat out the PRC in every way.
 
That's a matter of personal opinion, and yours are worth just as much as mine... Nothing, unless someone wants them to be worth something.

I have all of the cartridges being discussed. So you could not be more incorrect. I am not speculating spouting out trash. I actually know, with real world data. The bystanders get to choose whether they want to believe the guy with no clue or someone who actually shoots the cartridges. I have a sneaking suspicion who they would believe. Good luck to the OP trying to sift through the crap. If want real world unbiased experience PM me. I am out I do not have the time to waste.

A man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion.
 
The 30 Nosler will push a 215 Berger 3100 fps in a 26" barrel with H1000. The PRC is not going to do that. The 30 Nosler has ADG brass as well. Its a great design. The 30 Nosler is very hard to beat. Just have the reamer spec'd with a .225" freebore and it will beat out the PRC in every way.


For raw performance in a custom chamber Alex nailed it.
 
I have all of the cartridges being discussed. So you could not be more incorrect. I am not speculating spouting out trash. I actually know, with real world data. The bystanders get to choose whether they want to believe the guy with no clue or someone who actually shoots the cartridges. I have a sneaking suspicion who they would believe. Good luck to the OP trying to sift through the crap. If want real world unbiased experience PM me. I am out I do not have the time to waste.

A man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion.
I'm simply talking about opinions' value, not how relevant they are to the conversation.
 
Are your 30 noslers true 30 nosler cartridge, or did you go with the 28 nosler cartridge necked up? Just asking b/c the 28nos , according to specs, holds 4grams more H2O than the 30nos , and it absolutely seems like if the true 30nos cartridge is easily hitting those velocities out of a 26"bbl it would be worth it for myself to go ahead and go with the case with more capacity & a longer bbl that certainly sounds like it would have the ability to send the new 230SMK to 3100fps without much worry of too high pressure...does that sounds correct? All things considered?
 
You won't get 3100 FPS with a 230 out of either one. Or a rum at that point. 215s will hit 3100. And that's the accuracy load with 30 Nosler.
 
I have all of the cartridges being discussed. So you could not be more incorrect. I am not speculating spouting out trash. I actually know, with real world data. The bystanders get to choose whether they want to believe the guy with no clue or someone who actually shoots the cartridges. I have a sneaking suspicion who they would believe. Good luck to the OP trying to sift through the crap. If want real world unbiased experience PM me. I am out I do not have the time to waste.

A man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion.

I hope the OP takes you up on your offer ... real world experience is hard to beat.
 
Are your 30 noslers true 30 nosler cartridge, or did you go with the 28 nosler cartridge necked up? Just asking b/c the 28nos , according to specs, holds 4grams more H2O than the 30nos , and it absolutely seems like if the true 30nos cartridge is easily hitting those velocities out of a 26"bbl it would be worth it for myself to go ahead and go with the case with more capacity & a longer bbl that certainly sounds like it would have the ability to send the new 230SMK to 3100fps without much worry of too high pressure...does that sounds correct? All things considered?
30 Nosler is 30 nosler. 30-28 Nosler is necked up 28 brass and will do the same thing with less pressure but is not enough to get to the next accuracy node.
 
Yeah... All of them. It's just that the people who buy into the hype think it's the most awesome thing ever, and that nothing else has ever been as good, or will ever be better, or that nothing else matches the performance, when it's quite clear they only understand their hype-taught marketing talking points that they read online, saw on youtube, or read in a pimp-piece gun magazine article. Until Hornady craps out something else the next year. Then THAT cartridge is the best, blah blah blah. Then repeat every time they pop a new one.

It's not the cartridges that I have such a problem with, it's the die-hard followers, the newbies, and the ignorant who truly don't know any better, but tout it as the best thing ever. I can't really fault Hornady, they're just capitalizing on the human stupidity of following trends. I'm not wired to be a trendy person or a follower, so I don't see it the same way yall do. I see it as lemmings following each other over the cliff. But that's just me.

May I ask why it bothers you that people do this? It's very common behavior for us humans, be it guns, cartridges, cars, trucks, cell phones, etc... where would the incentive be to create and innovate if no one cared ? I'm not an early adopter, and rarely a supporter of anything. But if I try something and it works I'll say positive things about it. If it works REALLY well, I'll actually recommend it.
I think the popularity of some of the cartridges is the fact that they perform well and you can get decent factory ammo at a reasonable price. Not everyone has the time nor inclination to develop handloads for their rifles, and even fewer care that a 'new' cartridge is actually on old wildcat brought back to life. All the marketing in the world won't matter if the cartridges don't perform.
I was a .308 Winchester guy for years. I raised my eyebrows at the 'new' 6.5 Creedmoor... until I bought one. Stupid easy to shoot, Stupid easy to load for, and stupid inexpensive factory match ammo if and when I need it.
Everything was new at one time or another... products are normally improved in small increments rather than revolutionary leaps & bounds.
Right, wrong, or otherwise, I celebrate the new offerings in our shooting world. If it keeps our sport alive and possibly even help it grow, I'm all for it.
 
May I ask why it bothers you that people do this? It's very common behavior for us humans, be it guns, cartridges, cars, trucks, cell phones, etc... where would the incentive be to create and innovate if no one cared ? I'm not an early adopter, and rarely a supporter of anything. But if I try something and it works I'll say positive things about it. If it works REALLY well, I'll actually recommend it.
I think the popularity of some of the cartridges is the fact that they perform well and you can get decent factory ammo at a reasonable price. Not everyone has the time nor inclination to develop handloads for their rifles, and even fewer care that a 'new' cartridge is actually on old wildcat brought back to life. All the marketing in the world won't matter if the cartridges don't perform.
I was a .308 Winchester guy for years. I raised my eyebrows at the 'new' 6.5 Creedmoor... until I bought one. Stupid easy to shoot, Stupid easy to load for, and stupid inexpensive factory match ammo if and when I need it.
Everything was new at one time or another... products are normally improved in small increments rather than revolutionary leaps & bounds.
Right, wrong, or otherwise, I celebrate the new offerings in our shooting world. If it keeps our sport alive and possibly even help it grow, I'm all for it.
Sure, but I'd rather not mess up this thread anymore. Everyone's already bitching about me enough, as is... But, what the hell...

It's the way my mind works, and the way I have always seen the world. My instincts have always been to avoid trends because they come and go, and until you learn to just be yourself, you'll never find yourself. Be your own man, and f*** what anyone else thinks. Tell it like it is, and people will bitch and moan and whine and tell you you're wrong, and act like you're a giant ***... But deep inside, they respect you for not giving a **** what anyone else thinks, even if they vehemently disagree with you 100% of the time. If you're constantly walking around being a "yes man" and kissing ***, they'll never respect you.

The fact is, I just don't like BS, and there seems to be A LOT of it going around in the gun community and it seems to be fairly recent. I'm guessing most of it is coming in with all the newbies these new Hornady cartridges are drawing into the game. I've personally witnessed more than enough conversations that would bend your brain to try to get on their lack of comprehension of guns and cartridges and their abilities. But I get the fact that not everyone has witnessed such a thing. The last 2 generations (which embarrassingly enough includes me) are so screwed up and gullible as it is... I mean, they can't figure out that there is only 2 genders, which bathroom to go in, that socialism has never worked, or that the electoral college isn't an actual learning institution...But now they want to buy guns and shoot live animals at 1,000 yards? That thought should scare anyone.

The only issue I have with the cartridges themselves are the fact that they're reheated leftovers. Other than that, no problems at all. It's that Hornady is creating a false need for a problem that doesn't exist. And in order to do that, you have to be subversive and manipulative. You have to make people think that what they've been using is no longer valid. And that if you buy this fancy new doodad, you'll be able to do all these wonderful things that you could never do with such an antiquated pile of junk. I understand that is marketing 101, but it's just that whole hipster mentality that they are playing to that p!sses me off. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me or not. Just answering your questions as to why I don't care for them. I still shoot Hornady ammo, and I don't think they're a bad company, I just think that what they're doing is inadvertently destroying the gun community's logic button, whether they realize it or not.

I'm done on this thread, if you'd like to continue this conversation, feel free to PM me and we'll discuss it further.
 
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You won't get 3100 FPS with a 230 out of either one. Or a rum at that point. 215s will hit 3100. And that's the accuracy load with 30 Nosler.

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