Why shoot a sissy rifle?

[General RE LEE]

Ability to shoot high volumes of handloads and spot misses/impacts without the aid of a spotter. Gets real good with bolt action 6 ARC.

 

[Gundog74]

Thank you for this information. My one question is, What size are the targets used at each range? I have watched videos of people trying to hit 8 x 10 or larger targets out at extreme ranges and being happy with one hit out of 20 shots. The advantage of having the whitetail five feet from your regular 700 yard target was a plus, known distance and known dope for the shot makes it much easier to make a shot like this. Regardless, Congratulations on the shot.

Now for a last question, If you were not on your home range at a known distance, knowing what it took to hit that target, what do you honestly think of the chances of making that shot somewhere else without knowing all the variables?

Colorado had all different sized plates from 6x6" to 24x24" plates. We practice out to 1000 yards on a 4x6" plate but most plates are12x12".
700 yards anywhere else I will not shoot at a deer. As for chances, I can miss deer at 100 yards. Proven that. LOL. Nothings perfect. I'm not gonna say I am. Give me a Colorado elk no problem. 338-378 with a 275 grain bullet travelling 2965fps. Nothing crazy like off hand. Would have to be good rest good conditions broadside. And I wouldn't just show up and try it. I'd be at the local range putting bullets down range till I was comfortable. I guess what I'm saying is it not something done willy nilly. I've killed 4 cow elk over 500 yards. Wasn't an accident. Lots of work.

 

[Teri Anne]

Dang this has been a fun one.

I just wanna know

Is there just 2 kinds of people out there, ones that do own 6.5s and ones that are thinking of owning a 6.5???????

Ahhhhhh, there are a third kind, those of us who studied the 6.5 and determined that the gun writers blew it's actual capabilities out of proportion when it was introduced,. This caused a massive buying frenzy somewhat similar to the big, "Toilet Paper run during the opening days of Covid. I looked, read all that I could about this new fantastic round and determined that it was great for punching holes in paper at long distances, but did not match the capabilities of the 270 out to 600 yards, which is more than a reasonable hunting distance. Yes I agree, beyond 600 yards the 6.5 performs somewhat better, but not enough to make it any better than most other cartridges when shot at conventional hunting distances. I looked, I studied and said, "NO!" and still do.

I should also mention that those same gun writers, a year later, were back pedaling on some of their earlier claims. I was working the Gun Counter at Cabelas during this period, and many of those 6.5 Creedmoor's were traded back in through the Gun Library for other rifles. The owners found out, through trial and error, that they were not all that they were hyped up to be.

I think that this argument will go on and on but as newer and better actual hunting cartridges come out, the 6.5 will be relegated to the gun vault or only to continue as popular with those who like to punch paper or clang steel at longer, target ranges. The PRC's come immediately to mind, lots of development going on there.

 

[Teri Anne]

Area 419 match = awesome

I have recommended target/sniper style muzzle brakes for several students and friends who are recoil sensitive. Team the brake up with a Limbsaver or more recently a Backstop recoil pad, and it tames even the 300 and 338 Win Mags down. Taming the 6.5 using this method should result in very light recoil.

 

[Northkill]

Ahhhhhh, there are a third kind, those of us who studied the 6.5 and determined that the gun writers blew it's actual capabilities out of proportion when it was introduced,. This caused a massive buying frenzy somewhat similar to the big, "Toilet Paper run during the opening days of Covid. I looked, read all that I could about this new fantastic round and determined that it was great for punching holes in paper at long distances, but did not match the capabilities of the 270 out to 600 yards, which is more than a reasonable hunting distance. Yes I agree, beyond 600 yards the 6.5 performs somewhat better, but not enough to make it any better than most other cartridges when shot at conventional hunting distances. I looked, I studied and said, "NO!" and still do.

I should also mention that those same gun writers, a year later, were back pedaling on some of their earlier claims. I was working the Gun Counter at Cabelas during this period, and many of those 6.5 Creedmoor's were traded back in through the Gun Library for other rifles. The owners found out, through trial and error, that they were not all that they were hyped up to be.

I think that this argument will go on and on but as newer and better actual hunting cartridges come out, the 6.5 will be relegated to the gun vault or only to continue as popular with those who like to punch paper or clang steel at longer, target ranges. The PRC's come immediately to mind, lots of development going on there.

I dunno. Lotta people say and believe things that gun writers never actually said. Some folks are just innocent of ballistic science and hype themselves up. Sure, when the Creed was a new thing, lots of writers wrote and reviewed. Creates buzz...and some folks simply run with the buzz over objectivity. I don't run away from or hate something just because of buzz. If you do a lot of shooting, the Creed is a nice fit. Reason a lot of shooting schools use them. Not too many using 270's... Each has their place. Don't know that we need to go out of our way to try to make one better than the other. Sometimes the effort to defend and prop up our position can reflect some emotional bias that works against objective observation.

 

[TAZMAN]

I see that the new A10 warthog uses the 6.5 Creedmoor now!

 

[Northkill]

I see that the new A10 warthog uses the 6.5 Creedmoor now!

No kidding. Now I know why the bad guys are digging caves like no tomorrow.

 

[justinp61]

Well, there are a lot of things that are sissy or other types of derogatory terms used by many. Being a woman I already qualify as sissified by a lot of men, so be it. I do have to agree that a man bun is sissified, but the ability to grow a beard does not make you a man either. I will admit that my thoughts are somewhat pre ordained since I spent 30 years in the Army. I do not find men with long hair or beards, especially long scraggly, unkempt hair or beards as being particularly manly. There are, however, women that do. The attached internet photo shows my thoughts on what is acceptable as a manly hair, and beard if one absolutely needs to have a beard.

I don't really know how to or if I should even reply to this.

 

[birddog 68]

I dunno. Lotta people say and believe things that gun writers never actually said. Some folks are just innocent of ballistic science and hype themselves up. Sure when the Creed was a new thing, lots of writers wrote and reviewed. Creates buzz...and some folks simply run with the buzz over objectivity. I don't run away from or hate something just because of buzz. If you do a lot of shooting, the Creed is a nice fit. Reason a lot of shooting schools use them. Not too many using 270's... Each has their place. Don't know that we need to go out of our way to try to make one better than the other. Sometimes the effort to defend and prop up our position can reflect some emotional bias that works against objective observation.

Excellent post.
I started this thread to make fun of myself because I was like many that have posted here that like to make fun of the 6.5 CM and if you haven't noticed, I still do.
The 6.5 fits nicely in my safe and will accompany me to the range every trip and may even fill in for my 7-08 on a deer hunt or two.

 

[Northkill]

I don't really know how to or if I should even reply to this.

Well...I guess show us your beard.

 

[Northkill]

Excellent post.
I started this thread to make fun of myself because I was like many that have posted here that like to make fun of the 6.5 CM and if you haven't noticed, I still do.
The 6.5 fits nicely in my safe and will accompany me to the range every trip and may even fill in for my 7-08 on a deer hunt or two.

Yep, totally get it. Same park here. Good to have some fun. Not much chance this year anymore.

 

[birddog 68]

Well...I guess show us your beard.

Here's mine.

 

[Northkill]

That should keep unfriendlies away. Really likin the drip strip you got going there. Gonna need that when you drool over the next build...

 

[TAZMAN]

I think that RL26 has helped the Creedmoor gain some performance advantage. I did just help a buddy with a 280ai and it picked up 235fps over his normal load by using RL26. It is in line with a 7PRC on speed now.