What is THE Ultimate 30cal Cartridge for ELR/Reloading?

[QuietTexan]

There is a discussion elsewhere on a gun forum which is calling for a 7mm Creedmoor to be researched and produced...

You joke, but if they keep to the form it'll basically be a 7-30 TC AI. Which is a hard way of saying 7-08 AI with slightly shorter shoulders that got trimmed a bit.

 

[Calvin45]

28-250!

 

[Calvin45]

You joke, but if they keep to the form it'll basically be a 7-30 TC AI. Which is a hard way of saying 7-08 AI with slightly shorter shoulders that got trimmed a bit.

28-250 gonna be the biggest innovation in years!

 

[asd9055]

Wow , Well then .... ok !
we can keep chopping the distance of "ELR" so everyone can win a trophy,
Making everything easy seems to be a popular trend these days, but hey ... If we just shorten it to 100 yards then at least the 300 Blackout guys can win at ELR too !

I'll bring my "now ELR capable" TC Contender in .30-30 Winchester and be very competitive against the guys with 375 Cheytacs.. & guess what ? If y'all want to bring up recoil, barrel life, component cost & efficiency, drag all that fluff to the wrong party then my .30-30 Win surely is the best cartridge known to man for ELR competition !

I shoot the Barnes 120 gr TAC-TX out to 300 yards on steel plates regularly and have taken it out to 500 yards ...

100 yard ELR targets don't stand a chance ....

Be realistic guys .... Extreme Long Range means exactly what it means


@FEENIX heres the pic ya wanted, lol !
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Those look MEAN! I need to get me some for the 30-30 and t 300AAC

 

[sable tireur]

You joke, but if they keep to the form it'll basically be a 7-30 TC AI. Which is a hard way of saying 7-08 AI with slightly shorter shoulders that got trimmed a bit.

No, it's the truth. You can name it anything you like and determine the lineage from any direction. The discussion was based as the 7mm Creedmoor. All you have to do is a simple search.

 

[WildRose]

There is a discussion elsewhere on a gun forum which is calling for a 7mm Creedmoor to be researched and produced...

That was done long ago, it's the 7mm-08. But don't tell those guys... .

 

[Calvin45]

That was done long ago, it's the 7mm-08. But don't tell those guys... .

Agreed but did you read this last page haha?

 

[TheFishBox]

Maybe a 22lr necked up to accept 30 caliber bullets would make the ultimate? I mean since we are just naming the slowest of cartridges and pretending they are ultimates why not?

 

[Swamplord]

Maybe a 22lr necked up to accept 30 caliber bullets would make the ultimate? I mean since we are just naming the slowest of cartridges and pretending they are ultimates why not?

well if we are going to minimize the idea & concept of ELR just so everyone can be competitive regardless of cartridge, then yeah... even a 22 short is now an ELR cartridge at 50 paces, because it's how you feel that really matters and not reality

or we could all shoot blanks and "believe" that every hit was dead center, everyone wins and we all hug the trophy at the after party & nobody will have hard feelings or get emotional over a loss

 

[TheFishBox]

Swamp maybe I missed it but what wildcat do you have in your arsenal of cartridges that you would consider to be the ultimate 30 caliber? Maybe you could share the specs of your top three?

 

[Varmint Hunter]

Swamp maybe I missed it but what wildcat do you have in your arsenal of cartridges that you would consider to be the ultimate 30 caliber? Maybe you could share the specs of your top three?

Now you've opened Pandora's box.

 

[FEENIX]

Now you've opened Pandora's box.

Yep!

 

[QuietTexan]

Maybe a 22lr necked up to accept 30 caliber bullets would make the ultimate? I mean since we are just naming the slowest of cartridges and pretending they are ultimates why not?

I don't feel bad about the joking around, this thread was one step away from a joke when it started. After about 4 pages every serious contender other than one-off wildcats was named and it was all the way to being a joke. It was just some harmless mental master debating over how best to beat a squared peg into a round hole. Seeing all the crazy wildcats is fun, and and nit picking over long and thin vs short and fat doesn't ever get to a final correct answer.

ELR is an arbitrary distinction. 30 cal might rule the roost in long range but not here. Arbitrary definitions are what keeps things sane, because how else do you push innovation at the margins while not running rough shod over more developed disciplines?

Right now IMO the most rapid innovation is happening in ELR because of so many novel challenges to overcome, but good old benchresting is still grinding away and tweaking details to perfection. They both have reason and purpose, the concepts and theories translate, but each is proving out something different.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we saw a 1000 yard 100-10x 2.680" world record and the first 2 mile hits at Kof2M in the same year. Arbitrary distinctions leading to specialization of disciplines is how we got here. They're each moving ahead still; benchrest is slower and more incremental and moves in fractions of an inch, ELR is faster and makes jumps like zero hits to three in a row in one year, with groups still measured in feet.

I don't know what exactly we'd learn with a subsonic-only benchrest or long range competition, but it would probably be cool I'd be in, we can call it the 1st LRH Subsonic Championship, shot at the Whittington Center 1000 yard range. I've been needing an excuse to make that drive.

And just you wait and see, in a few years and there will have to be "no laser wind finder" rules added to some competitions. "Laser wind finder" sounds stupider than anything from Star Trek and just a few years ago it was, yet now it exists. We might even see a match where everyone shoots a NASCAR-style rifle of a specified caliber with a max velocity to isolate wind reading skills come from it, allow and don't allow the laser over two courses of fire to see the differences in pure shooter skill, lowest spread wins.

 

[sable tireur]

We might even see a match where everyone shoots a NASCAR-style rifle of a specified caliber with a max velocity to isolate wind reading skills come from it

Sounds like short range benchrest to me...