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What is THE Ultimate 30cal Cartridge for ELR/Reloading?

If I recall there's a very old thread here somewhere, Kirby actually did play with a .30-408 cheytac with 290 grain (I think) Uld-rbt bullets by wildcat bullets (don't think they're in business anymore).

That case capacity was simply too much to be useable, and the twist required combined with the velocity ripped those jackets apart before they left the barrel.

HOWEVER…there are options now that weren't then. Hbn treating things effectively makes powders that are too fast act a bit slower (you can load more in). Drive bands or hammer style pdr bands also have this effect. Monos don't rip apart from twist rates.

A gain twist might actually be worth looking into.

What about the enABLR case. Slightly less capacity than cheytac and a shorter fatter column, Peterson brass…
I would still avoid the gain twist barrels, that's a tremendous amount of friction that is just not necessary.

Yes you'll gain some velocity but I've see no evidence they improve accuracy in any caliber.
 
Wow , Well then .... ok !
we can keep chopping the distance of "ELR" so everyone can win a trophy,
Making everything easy seems to be a popular trend these days, but hey ... If we just shorten it to 100 yards then at least the 300 Blackout guys can win at ELR too !

I'll bring my "now ELR capable" TC Contender in .30-30 Winchester and be very competitive against the guys with 375 Cheytacs.. & guess what ? If y'all want to bring up recoil, barrel life, component cost & efficiency, drag all that fluff to the wrong party then my .30-30 Win surely is the best cartridge known to man for ELR competition !

I shoot the Barnes 120 gr TAC-TX out to 300 yards on steel plates regularly and have taken it out to 500 yards ...

100 yard ELR targets don't stand a chance ....

Be realistic guys .... Extreme Long Range means exactly what it means


@FEENIX heres the pic ya wanted, lol !
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Wow , Well then .... ok !
we can keep chopping the distance of "ELR" so everyone can win a trophy,
Making everything easy seems to be a popular trend these days, but hey ... If we just shorten it to 100 yards then at least the 300 Blackout guys can win at ELR too !

I'll bring my "now ELR capable" TC Contender in .30-30 Winchester and be very competitive against the guys with 375 Cheytacs.. & guess what ? If y'all want to bring up recoil, barrel life, component cost & efficiency, drag all that fluff to the wrong party then my .30-30 Win surely is the best cartridge known to man for ELR competition !

I shoot the Barnes 120 gr TAC-TX out to 300 yards on steel plates regularly and have taken it out to 500 yards ...

100 yard ELR targets don't stand a chance ....

Be realistic guys .... Extreme Long Range means exactly what it means


@FEENIX heres the pic ya wanted, lol !
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OMG Brother! I might have to try it, even if it is a single load. LOL!
 
Wow , Well then .... ok !
we can keep chopping the distance of "ELR" so everyone can win a trophy,
Making everything easy seems to be a popular trend these days, but hey ... If we just shorten it to 100 yards then at least the 300 Blackout guys can win at ELR too !

I'll bring my "now ELR capable" TC Contender in .30-30 Winchester and be very competitive against the guys with 375 Cheytacs.. & guess what ? If y'all want to bring up recoil, barrel life, component cost & efficiency, drag all that fluff to the wrong party then my .30-30 Win surely is the best cartridge known to man for ELR competition !

I shoot the Barnes 120 gr TAC-TX out to 300 yards on steel plates regularly and have taken it out to 500 yards ...

100 yard ELR targets don't stand a chance ....

Be realistic guys .... Extreme Long Range means exactly what it means


@FEENIX heres the pic ya wanted, lol !
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Hahaha…modify it in some way to make it your own wildcat: the .300 PR (participation ribbon!)
 
If you could get any powder, primer, brass, bullet, dies, etc. etc. etc....... including action, barrels..... blah blah blah.
Who cares about factory cartridges or easy to find. This is about ELR/Reloading.

What is The Ultimate 30cal Cartridge for ELR and reloading?
It depends.
Meaning it all depends on what it is you will be doing as for the shooting.
For hunting, you will be confined to shoot when the seasons allow you to do it.
And what will the conditions be at that time?
By and large you will shoot as well and as far as the conditions permit. And many times that wont be nearly as far as the ones who have never hunted long range think it might be.
For about 30 years i used a 36" barreled 30x378 for long range Pa hunting.
About a decade ago i had Bruce Baer rebarrel the gun for his 338 Big Baer cartridge.
I also have a 300 Norma.
If i had my life to live over for ( hunting long range in PA. ) i would own the 300 Norma and call it a day.
On the other hand if i were just shooting at some type of targets at the long and extreme ranges, i wouldnt be owning any 30 caliber as in (none).
It would be no smaller than the 338 i have, or better yet a 375.
 
No joke, accounting for something like 800 inches of drop could endanger some stuff 😂

But that said.... I have 39 mils of adjustment and another 20 mils in the reticle ready to go the distance when I get my chance. Might start with balloons at 300-500 though for some easier feedback like these guys:
 
No joke, accounting for something like 800 inches of drop could endanger some stuff 😂

But that said.... I have 39 mils of adjustment and another 20 mils in the reticle ready to go the distance when I get my chance. Might start with balloons at 300-500 though for some easier feedback like these guys:

I mean if Jerry Miculek can pop a ballon at that distance with a 9mm…
 
300 black out at 1000 yards reminds me of the game my parents played when camping called Jarts? I think that's right. A giant dart thrown in the air down stream to a circle??lol
 
Wow , Well then .... ok !
we can keep chopping the distance of "ELR" so everyone can win a trophy,
Making everything easy seems to be a popular trend these days, but hey ... If we just shorten it to 100 yards then at least the 300 Blackout guys can win at ELR too !

I'll bring my "now ELR capable" TC Contender in .30-30 Winchester and be very competitive against the guys with 375 Cheytacs.. & guess what ? If y'all want to bring up recoil, barrel life, component cost & efficiency, drag all that fluff to the wrong party then my .30-30 Win surely is the best cartridge known to man for ELR competition !

I shoot the Barnes 120 gr TAC-TX out to 300 yards on steel plates regularly and have taken it out to 500 yards ...

100 yard ELR targets don't stand a chance ....

Be realistic guys .... Extreme Long Range means exactly what it means


@FEENIX heres the pic ya wanted, lol !
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I'll take the definition from the guys who pioneered ELR shooting that was established long before any of us found this forum.

That definition for ELR hunting was set at 1,000-1,200yds. In the target shooting game again, it's a whole nuther world and set of parameters because you'll never have to be concerned with anything other than dinging a gong or punching a hole in paper.
 
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