What bullets for 1000 yards

[nralifer]

Where did the op go on this thread ?

He said 7 mag, but never confirmed "rem mag"-- and never said what altitude.

Even the 162 eldm shows 1900fps at 1000y and 1350 ft lbs when I punch numbers in for 8000' msl out of a 7rm.

I'd choose a cup/core bullet for 1000y for the lower expansion and higher bc than a mono

That is of course is your opinion and preference which I respect, but to imply that monos in the same weight class as a cup and core bullet have lower BCs is simply not true as a blanket statement, and belies a lack of understanding about copper vs lead as a bullet material. Copper is compromised to a limited extent on having a lower density than lead, so to make a copper bullet the same weight and shape as a lead core it has to be longer. When bullets reach a length beyond 6 calibers in length, there is a weight limitation on copper bullets. That by no means that their BCs can't be higher than a lead core of the same weight, and in fact most Badlands Bulldozer hunting bullets do that. Witness the 150 gr .277SBD2. It's G1and G7 BCs exceed those of the 170 gr Berger with a 20 gr lighter bullet, which, in fact is an advantage in that the light bullet can also be pushed faster. We believe the 150 gr .277 SBD2 to be an excellent if not superior 1000 yd bullet. If you haven't used the Badlands Bulldozers on game or shot them to 1000 yds, your opinions and generalizations about monos, although valid to some degree, must be viewed in the context of limited experience.

 

[Chas1]

Bergers

 

[cohunt]

That is of course is your opinion and preference which I respect, but to imply that monos in the same weight class as a cup and core bullet have lower BCs is simply not true as a blanket statement, and belies a lack of understanding about copper vs lead as a bullet material. Copper is compromised to a limited extent on having a lower density than lead, so to make a copper bullet the same weight and shape as a lead core it has to be longer. When bullets reach a length beyond 6 calibers in length, there is a weight limitation on copper bullets. That by no means that their BCs can't be higher than a lead core of the same weight, and in fact most Badlands Bulldozer hunting bullets do that. Witness the 150 gr .277SBD2. It's G1and G7 BCs exceed those of the 170 gr Berger with a 20 gr lighter bullet, which, in fact is an advantage in that the light bullet can also be pushed faster. We believe the 150 gr .277 SBD2 to be an excellent if not superior 1000 yd bullet. If you haven't used the Badlands Bulldozers on game or shot them to 1000 yds, your opinions and generalizations about monos, although valid to some degree, must be viewed in the context of limited experience.

And your 160 class 7mm bullet can be shot out of the most common 7mm factory 1:9 or 1/9.5 twist barrels, just like the cup/core bullets ----- right?
And that's all still loaded to saami max c.o.a.l. to fit in factory magazines, right?

I've been loading and shooting both lead core and mono's for a long time now and know their attributes and limitations and as you plainly stated in your post

Copper is compromised to a limited extent on having a lower density than lead,

 

[floyd kittrell]

Federal Ascent155Gr., down to 1400FPS, this is a bad a** bullet,

 

[Xescane]

I've been running 178gr eldx at 3050fps and 200 grain eldx at 2950fps for 3 years now in my 300 win mag and had great results. I tried eldm in 178 grain and 208 grain and they simply did not expand that well at a thousand yards. Berger juggernauts did pretty well too but my gun does like them as well.

 

[TxHeartShot]

I wouldn't think that a 308 would push a 195gr @ 3000fps. Maybe @ 2450fps and that a lot.
The other is, I guess the aoudad would just stand around let you shoot. I don't think so.
Sit down I will tell you a story you never heard before.

Dude...LOL

 

[Pacecount]

If you are shooting 7mm RM I am getting 3000 FPS with Berger 180s.

If you want to to shoot the Berger 195s you need more powder than what the RM offers. A buddy swears by his 7mm-300 and 195s. I don't know what kind of velocity he is getting but I know he is killing elk at > 1000 yards…. With that said, he has the training and skill set to be effective at those ranges.

 

[nralifer]

And your 160 class 7mm bullet can be shot out of the most common 7mm factory 1:9 or 1/9.5 twist barrels, just like the cup/core bullets ----- right?
And that's all still loaded to saami max c.o.a.l. to fit in factory magazines, right?

I've been loading and shooting both lead core and mono's for a long time now and know their attributes and limitations and as you plainly stated in your post

Unless you have hunted with our monos, you cannot generalize your experience with other monos to ours. I had hunted a lot with Barnes bullets and liked them over cup and core, but then, through a surprisingly bad experience, realized they had a problem with consistency of expansion even at high impact velocities, that nearly cost me a really nice Warthog. When I came across a guy who had the skills and motivation to make higher BC copper bullets, we joined forces to start the company. I dumped lead cores for Barnes after multiple "experiences" with lead cores over the years in inconsistent terminal effects on game. The bottom line is that our "monos" are designed to overcome the deficiencies of the monos and lead cores you may or may not have had experience with. They are not loaded always the same way as monos, but the smart hand loader can easily overcome the differences. In all cases if you understand fundamentally what you are doing then you will find loading our bullets to be straightforward. You can always call us for guidance. We are happy to help.

 

[Taylorbok]

Unless you have hunted with our monos, you cannot generalize your experience with other monos to ours.

None of his points are wrong, you need a custom barrel to shoot your bullets, especially if a person wants to shoot the "heavy" ones. It's not a bad thing just limiting to people who use factory rifles.

 

[MontanaJack]

Berger VLD Hunting, Berger Elite Hunter, Berger Classic Hunter.

 

[Mike Matteson]

Just a hunch, but I am guessing that it was not a .308 Win pushing the .308" diameter 195 at 3000fps. I believe it was a statement of the caliber, not the cartridge.

That could be. I still wonder how that animal stood still for 6 rounds no matter what. At that yardage I would think it would be almost inpossible for that animal to be standing in one place. Or the animal isn 't to smart. I never hunted them either.

 

[ARlife4me]

That could be. I still wonder how that animal stood still for 6 rounds no matter what. At that yardage I would think it would be almost inpossible for that animal to be standing in one place. Or the animal isn 't to smart. I never hunted them either.

It could've been deaf?

 

[Calvin45]

It could've been deaf?

Maybe it had a prosthetic shoulder than couldn't feel anything too. And made of titanium.

Or maybe it was sleeping and just refused to wake up no matter how much they shot it

Maybe it had its head stuck in a bush and couldn't move! Like how the Lord provided the ram for the offering when Abraham was about to kill Isaac.

Either way…Thank God its suffering is over

 

[sendero72]

That is of course is your opinion and preference which I respect, but to imply that monos in the same weight class as a cup and core bullet have lower BCs is simply not true as a blanket statement, and belies a lack of understanding about copper vs lead as a bullet material. Copper is compromised to a limited extent on having a lower density than lead, so to make a copper bullet the same weight and shape as a lead core it has to be longer. When bullets reach a length beyond 6 calibers in length, there is a weight limitation on copper bullets. That by no means that their BCs can't be higher than a lead core of the same weight, and in fact most Badlands Bulldozer hunting bullets do that. Witness the 150 gr .277SBD2. It's G1and G7 BCs exceed those of the 170 gr Berger with a 20 gr lighter bullet, which, in fact is an advantage in that the light bullet can also be pushed faster. We believe the 150 gr .277 SBD2 to be an excellent if not superior 1000 yd bullet. If you haven't used the Badlands Bulldozers on game or shot them to 1000 yds, your opinions and generalizations about monos, although valid to some degree, must be viewed in the context of limited experience.

Where did the op go on this thread ?

He said 7 mag, but never confirmed "rem mag"-- and never said what altitude.

Even the 162 eldm shows 1900fps at 1000y and 1350 ft lbs when I punch numbers in for 8000' msl out of a 7rm.

I'd choose a cup/core bullet for 1000y for the lower expansion and higher bc than a mono

Sorry guys, I just got out of the hospital. Major surgery to repair rotator ruff. That shot was taken with a Remington Sendero 7 mm Mag with a 28" Hart barrel. My farm is in South Carolina, and the altitude is 85 feet. I don't remember the temp. The 162 Amax at that time would expand down to 1300 fps. The MV was just over 3000 fps. I purchase the rifle in 1999 and I'm on barrel number five which is chambered in a 7x300 win mag. I've reloaded every round and I average 1244 rds per barrel. I've hunted with this rifle from Wyoming, Canada, and Africa for plains game. The Kuda in my profile pic was 920 yds with 180 gr eldm. I don't recommend the Eldms for zebra. It took 3 rounds to put him on the ground, but he made a great-looking rug in my "man cave". I hope this info helps. Thanks!