Texas made monolithic bullets ...

[WildRose]

Lol

Trust me I was in Awe that day. We had two birds working dispersed targets along about a 400m front. They worked it from both ends making low passes, pulling straight up into what looked like a stall then swapped ends until the problem was, "solved".

I'd never seen anything like it before and all I could think of was a Humming bird breathing fire.

Sounds dorky but I was a kid at the time.

 

[WildRose]

80K seems a tad high, but if you can shoot that far, and I'm sure you can, they'll do the job. You don't have to have a high BC to do that, you just have to know your drop for that bullet and whether it is consistent in its trajectory. It just gets there a little slower and hits a little lower, but if it hits in the same place, its fine.

That's not entirely true. High BC bullets also resist wind effects better than those with lower BC's, which honestly is their main advantage. Anyone can put together a pretty accurate drop chart but the wind is something none of us will ever truly master.

 

[greenejc]

My first PD gun was a 70 plus yo single shot .22 short. Dad would give me a box of shorts and tell me to get lost for a few hours.

Sounds like you shot about the same load I did in my Ruger No 1 25-06 back in the late eighties/early 90's.

I loaded them with the old Lee Hand Loading set sitting on the coffee table watching the nightly news.

We used to have a running contest between my neighbor and myself trying to light matches with our handloads at 50 and 100yds. He had the same reloading set for his BLR in 22-50.

Tommy Drank A lot so I usually shot better.
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Funny thing I came across that old set of powder measure cups not long ago. Good memories.

I bought this rifle in Hawaii in 1984, and started loading for it on a Lyman turret press. I've loaded Sierra's and Speer's for it for about 35 years, and had to have the barrel replaced by Ruger in 2000. I currently use a Lee press because the Lyman gave up the ghost in 2001 and broke. It produces 0.5" groups with pretty much anything Speer or Sierra. And I started shooting prairie dogs in 1965 in West Texas on the llano Estecado with a Marlin single shot 22 and 22 long rifle ammunition. It had a 4 power weaver scope and it was accurate out to and past 150 yards. My brother used a Winchester single shot, and we competed. We shot straws at 25 yards, and it took two hits to cut one in half. If you centered the straw, you would have both sides intact, so you had to hit one side and then the other. We also shot sparrows and only head shots counted. I graduated to a Nylon 66 later, and shot P. dogs with that out to 100 yards using open sights. Lighting matches at 100 yards is a little out of my league, though. I use Imr 7828 or Imr 4831. They aren't the fastest loads, but they are minute of P. dog out to about 450 yards.

 

[greenejc]

That's not entirely true. High BC bullets also resist wind effects better than those with lower BC's, which honestly is their main advantage. Anyone can put together a pretty accurate drop chart but the wind is something none of us will ever truly master.

Noted and logged. Especially past around 500 yards. I've seen wind blow in two or three different directions at the same time at distances past 700 out to 1200 yards, and if you don't have range flags, it is a guessing game. I've also seen wind direction change drastically between shots on some of the ranges I've shot on, especially in Colorado and here on the Panhandle of Texas.

 

[WildRose]

I bought this rifle in Hawaii in 1984, and started loading for it on a Lyman turret press. I've loaded Sierra's and Speer's for it for about 35 years, and had to have the barrel replaced by Ruger in 2000. I currently use a Lee press because the Lyman gave up the ghost in 2001 and broke. It produces 0.5" groups with pretty much anything Speer or Sierra. And I started shooting prairie dogs in 1965 in West Texas on the llano Estecado with a Marlin single shot 22 and 22 long rifle ammunition. It had a 4 power weaver scope and it was accurate out to and past 150 yards. My brother used a Winchester single shot, and we competed. We shot straws at 25 yards, and it took two hits to cut one in half. If you centered the straw, you would have both sides intact, so you had to hit one side and then the other. We also shot sparrows and only head shots counted. I graduated to a Nylon 66 later, and shot P. dogs with that out to 100 yards using open sights. Lighting matches at 100 yards is a little out of my league, though. I use Imr 7828 or Imr 4831. They aren't the fastest loads, but they are minute of P. dog out to about 450 yards.

I grew up on top o the Llano, 3 years in Lubbock and 12 in Farwell just east of Clovis NM.

Not, I did say "trying to light matches" we were not often successful but I shot the heads off of quite a few.

That was a great rifle, I probably never should have let it go but I had a friend that needed it worse than I did once I redeployed.

 

[greenejc]

Trust me I was in Awe that day. We had two birds working dispersed targets along about a 400m front. They worked it from both ends making low passes, pulling straight up into what looked like a stall then swapped ends until the problem was, "solved".

I'd never seen anything like it before and all I could think of was a Humming bird breathing fire.

Sounds dorky but I was a kid at the time.

It was really interesting the first time I participated in a live fire with A10's. That was at Fort Carson, and they and some F16's dropped 500 pounders and then the A10's came back and worked the targets ( old trucks and tanks in the impact area) over with their guns and rockets. It was something to see. When they took out a group of Taliban at the Fob I was sent to in Afghanistan, though, they just took two passes, dropped two bombs and fired them up once, and no more Taliban. The sniper was unhappy that he didn't get to shoot. I love the A10. I also love the Apache.

 

[greenejc]

I grew up on top o the Llano, 3 years in Lubbock and 12 in Farwell just east of Clovis NM.

Not, I did say "trying to light matches" we were not often successful but I shot the heads off of quite a few.

That was a great rifle, I probably never should have let it go but I had a friend that needed it worse than I did once I redeployed.

Army? I was in for 20 years. Infantry. Then I contracted at Ft. Riley for another 9 and in Iraq and Afghanistan for 3 1/2 years. I know where Farwell is, and I was born at Crosbyton. My brother retired from the Electrical Engineering Dept. at Texas Tech about three years ago, and I retired from Range Control at Fort Carson about 4 years ago. I'm currently in Ralls watching over my mom, who is 92, and have been here since October. I bet you know where Ralls is, too. Small world.

 

[greenejc]

The UH60 isn't bad either, but I really hated it when the pilot and the co-pilot decided to see if they could make you puke. Nap of the earth and ground effect flying in a canyon really sucks.

 

[WildRose]

Army? I was in for 20 years. Infantry. Then I contracted at Ft. Riley for another 9 and in Iraq and Afghanistan for 3 1/2 years. I know where Farwell is, and I was born at Crosbyton. My brother retired from the Electrical Engineering Dept. at Texas Tech about three years ago, and I retired from Range Control at Fort Carson about 4 years ago. I'm currently in Ralls watching over my mom, who is 92, and have been here since October. I bet you know where Ralls is, too. Small world.

Small world, I spend most of my CONUS time at Benning and Bragg but spent most of my time overseas working with the Brits and Israelis mostly. When I was Conus I was teaching or writing reports and I hated being in the office.

 

[WildRose]

I saw where ELR was defined by Mr Backus, but I can't find where he specifies 500 plus is LR.

LR is not set by a hard and fast yardage, it's set by where you are, what you're shooting, the conditions you're shooting in etc.

300 yards in a driving rain, snow, or sandstorm is a very long shot.

200 yards open sight on a jackrabbit is a very long shot.

500 yards would be considered by most to be a long shot even under ideal conditions with their hunting rifle.

Ballistically things however start to change dramatically from 600-1000 and even more at 1000.

Generally here we consider 600yds to be "long range" but a whole host of factors can shorten that considerably.

 

[greenejc]

LR is not set by a hard and fast yardage, it's set by where you are, what you're shooting, the conditions you're shooting in etc.

300 yards in a driving rain, snow, or sandstorm is a very long shot.

200 yards open sight on a jackrabbit is a very long shot.

500 yards would be considered by most to be a long shot even under ideal conditions with their hunting rifle.

Ballistically things however start to change dramatically from 600-1000 and even more at 1000.

Generally here we consider 600yds to be "long range" but a whole host of factors can shorten that considerably.

How about 100 yards on a jackrabbit with a .44 mag? or even 25 yards from a moving truck? or 150 yards at a prairie dog on the run with a Ruger mini-14? Conditions determine what's a long shot. Past 1,000 yards, winds change, bullets go sub-sonic, some bullets become unstable and even the earth starts to rotate out from under the projectile. What is negligable inside 600 becomes a serious factor beyond 900 to 1000 yards. And there are major differences between the range and some of the places I've been in with a rifle in my hands. If you miss a steel plate by 6" at 800 yards, you just miss. If you're off by 6" at a deer at that range, you either miss or have a gut-shot deer.

 

[codyadams]

@WildRose I'm also hopeful @codyadams will try them and give us a report on game.

I looked through and did not see a current offering that really interested me unfortunately. If I was shopping for a bullet it would be something that would outrun the 156 Berger @2940 fps out of my .260 AI out to 1000+, however I'm not sure I will find that in a mono that will function properly in my current 8 twist....this next season I plan on testing the 205 SBDII out of a 30 nosler, and something else for my wife's 7.5 twist 7 max....currently running the 175 eld-x, but want to replace that.

As for the rest of this thread.......well, I'm just gonna unsubscribe right now lol.

Thanks for the mention Dave, and keep doin what you do Ed!

 

[WildRose]

Noted and logged. Especially past around 500 yards. I've seen wind blow in two or three different directions at the same time at distances past 700 out to 1200 yards, and if you don't have range flags, it is a guessing game. I've also seen wind direction change drastically between shots on some of the ranges I've shot on, especially in Colorado and here on the Panhandle of Texas.

I can only say this because I had 7 witnesses.

the short version is I had a brand new CZ 527 .204 Ruger I'd been gifted by the CEO who I guided and consulted for on various firearms they wanted to bring to the US Market.

We're quail hunting about 40 mi west of town and around 11 a.m a big front blew in from the west NW.

Within minutes the winds are gusting 40-50mph.

We call lunch and load up into two vehicles.

Just as we lock the gate and turn east on the Highway a coyote breaks into a dead run heading NE with the wind almost exactly running tail to head.

One of the guys says, "Hey CR why don't you shoot him", I say "not in this wind," he repeats and say what the heck.

By the time I get on him he's easily at 350 still running about 35mph or so.

I try to figure the wind in my head along with the drop and just miss him right above his nose.

He of course immediately kicks it up to about 50mph, I throw another one in.

I figure by now the wind and the speed are pretty much a wash put it just above the nose and pull the trigger.

He cartwheels to the edge of the brush surrounding the Wheatfield.

We measured it at 540 yards from the door to the coyote and I figure he covered about 12-15 yards of that distance after being dead with a perfect hit just below the crown of the head and no exit. Customer wanted the head and hide to decorate his coffee table so he could always remember the event.

A customer who was along is describing this event to one of our local "experts" who was to say the least a rather unpleasant fellow a couple of years later, to which the expert replies, "Just a lucky shot, the coyote must have run into the bullet". Customer chuckles and smiles and says, I've been hunting with him for ten years, he gets lucky a lot.

Expert tucked his tail and retreated to his table and never bothered us again.

 

[snox801]

Only Hammer guys stack them against Hammer bullets. As I said, I will never use Hammer for comparison when it comes to BC for my intended purpose; even Steve acknowledges it. You guys just cannot leave it alone. You will never see me do the same on any Hammer threads.

If that was the case why do you complain so much about how much the hammers get thrown into your post. And yes hammer guys do do that because that is what they choose to shoot . So if say broz is shooting Berger he would indeed compare something to Berger. But it would be silly for him not to compare the bullet as a whole and not just based on bc. I agree with you on one thing. Each person should choose what works for them. I do I shoot many different kinds of bullets for different purposes.
Sorry but you simply projected a statement I made in general to my motivates and can't even attempt to back off it. I've been pretty fair and straight forward but you you keep assuming I have some weird thing going on with hammers. You can do you when it comes to that. But you sir took offense to what I posted for no reason.