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[greenejc]

I think that is about the same BC as the bullet in its original orientation...

I used to teach at the University of Arizona. I'd have to stop class periodically when the A-10s would fly low and slow over campus. You couldn't hear anything other than those panes, even inside a campus building.

Try being on a FOB when they are engaging Hadji. Especially when they drop a couple of 500 pounders. It really gets noisy.

 

[FEENIX]

I think that is about the same BC as the bullet in its original orientation...

I used to teach at the University of Arizona. I'd have to stop class periodically when the A-10s would fly low and slow over campus. You couldn't hear anything other than those planes, even inside a campus building.

LOL! I was stationed at DM from 1992-1996, and my wife is a U of A grad - "Bear Down!"

 

[greenejc]

Growing up and having hunted extensively on the high plains I can tell you this. Speed out to 400yds makes a big difference until you're shooting into a stiff crosswind, then you just "miss faster".

One way or another we gotta learn to read the wind. High BC's will help but if you have a really bad wind call the best BC's or the fastest bullets won't save you.

This I say as a lifelong 17 Rem, 220 Swift, and since they hit the market .204 shooter.

High BC's are like, bigger, heavier bullets, they help make up for small errors but the shooter still has to do their part to achieve success.

I will say though that running 136gr Peregrines at 3400fps through the 6.5LRM sure has made for some interesting shooting even in horrible crosswinds.

Oh I agree. I live and hunt on the plains of Colorado and Texas. Try shooting at prairie dogs in a 20 mph crosswind with a 25-06 at around 350 to 400 yards. I use the 120 grain Speers for that because they're the highest BC bullet my Ruger No1 will stabilize (1 in 10" twist), and it gets interesting. But if you learn to hit or even 'miss small' at that distance with a P-dog, you don't miss anything the size of an antelope. So I practice on P-dogs in the wind. But back to the bullet: I'd like to know when they have some for sale, and what the load data for them will be for the .308, 30-06 and 300 winmag. Flinx, I hope you'll keep me posted, even though 85 or 90 dollars is pretty high for my pocket book. Let me know how they work on deer and elk if you get the information. I do shoot long range when I can get on a range that has a long range lane, but I don't shoot game past around 500 yards, just because I hate blood trailing animals. I use the .223 on prairie dogs, too, but when the wind is up, anything past 250 yards is pretty much a no go.

 

[FEENIX]

Try being on a FOB when they are engaging Hadji. Especially when they drop a couple of 500 pounders. It really gets noisy.

The A-10 is impressive, especially when its 11 weapons stations are fully loaded.

 

[greenejc]

Thankfully no. We've had a number of threads here by guys who put the time and money into a very nice LR rig who then found themselves making 60-200yd shots on their hunt of a lifetime.

Very few people are going to pass a shot at a "best ever" because it isn't out there far enough.

One of my best evers was at about 25 yards, with an 8mm-06 Improved. I didn't pass it up, even though it was at pistol range. I probably could have hit it with a rock, but I shot it instead.

 

[WildRose]

It looks like you do a lot of hunting (or guiding) in Africa. I'd be much more interested in terminal performance, too. A high BC bullet that doesn't penetrate and stop a charging bear in, say, Alaska would be useless. Its all about the job you want the bullet and cartridge to do. A buffalo stopper just isn't something you'd use to shoot antelope at 600 or 700 yards. Some of the .375's will do it, but its not what they were designed for. Since this new bullet isn't a target bullet but a hunting bullet, I expect it will be/is designed to give good to great terminal performance out to around 600 yards, and if the BC is above 0.42, it will be just fine for those distances, provided it can be pushed to comparable velocities with other bullets of the same BC. For that matter, I've used the Remington CorLokt 185 grain .323cal bullet in an 8mm-06 AI to shoot out to 600 yards, and it was consistent in trajectory and accuracy. It was not in any way a high BC bullet, but it shot inside 4" at 600, which was as far as I could shoot on the range I was using at the time, and it sent that round down range at about 2850fps. It had a 26" barrel, so it got a little more out of the cartridge but it shot very well and held inside 0.7" at 100 yards with that bullet. That was in 1999, and I was an NCO at Ft. Riley at the time, so those were the bullets I could afford in that caliber. But they worked.

The core-Loct bullets shot far better than they should have and were a very good bullet for their time as far as medium and large game goes.

I shoot a lot of medium and small things too here in the US, hogs being the most common. Some years I've easily exceeded 300 hogs just trying to keep them from overrunning myself and my neighbors properties.

I'm not however worried about shooting little groups at a 1,000 yards even though on occasion I've had kills out to 1237m.

If I can shoot MOA or better with them and absolutely rely on their terminal performance every time I'm happy.

What I hate are bullets that blow up with little penetration, pencil through, or go off like a bomb ruining a side of meat.

If I'm in Africa and have to shoot something big and ugly that's a whole different world. I'm not worried about much of anything other than extreme penetration with slight expansion to maximize damage internally to keep something large and dangerous from either having to be tracked creating one set of problems or making a charge at short range and not being able to stop them.

Totally different worlds.

I can say with confidence though that I can rely on the same manufacturer for both which pleases me and saves me a lot of time, trouble, and expensive experimentation.

 

[WildRose]

The A-10 is impressive, especially when its 11 weapons stations are fully loaded.

The first time an A-10 came over head running the gun changed my perception of the AF forever.

It's like a five ton humming bird raining down hell on the enemy.

 

[WildRose]

With the length of the projectile to consider and since all my 30 cal. rifles have a 1 in 10" twist, I'd be pretty happy with a 165 to 168grain bullet. I could probably get that to stabilize. If I can get enough horse power behind it, it would work out to around 1,000 or maybe 1200 yards, and I have no business shooting farther than that with my eyes and at my age, at anything other than in combat.

If you do some checking I think you'll find that most conventionally constructed bullets up to 180gr should stabilize adequately for you and the mono's to 165-170 should perform ok as well.

 

[SSgt G Cody]

I recently inquired at a big specialty machine shop near me about having them turn/cut some solid core bullets for me from free-machine brass. I spoke first to their metallurgist about best materials, and he assured me that solid brass should perform at least as well as copper, and better than bronze, and is much less expensive! I showed him a 131gn Hammer as an example of what I wanted, as a general idea. He assured me that he could reproduce a similar bullet, with a 1/16in. hollow point, with a conical entry, slight boat-tail, and semi-hollow base. It would have 4 rounded ripples around outer wall for rifling contact. I want a 6.5mm 130gn., 7mm 137gn., and a 30cal 149gn. I must order at least 2500 of each, but cost would be $.38-55 ea. pc. If this works out well, I should be set for life on these bullets! Now, ... for the initial cost!!! Somebody pray please!

 

[greenejc]

Wrong

I thought the way you mitigate wind mistakes was by practicing and shooting in the wind. But again, Feenix is right. This thread was started to tell us about a new company with a new product which might be really good, and I personally thank him for the information. Let me know where and when they will be out.

I sure appreciate the informative thread you post.
Just scroll past the locker room gaizers posts
Thanks

Guilty of locker room post, probably. Sorry. FEENIX, thanks for the information. I'd love to see a 160-165 grain bullet from them, but they have to start somewhere, and with the long for weight bullet and the lower friction it should be pretty fast. It sounds like a pretty good hunting bullet, and pretty inovative. Maybe they'll make a .358 cal. for my Whelen.

 

[greenejc]

If you do some checking I think you'll find that most conventionally constructed bullets up to 180gr should stabilize adequately for you and the mono's to 165-170 should perform ok as well.

Thanks. The 1 in 10" twist in my 30's stabilize the Sierra and Speer 200 grain bullets. I generally get about 2650 fps from my -03a3 with both bullets and about 2585 Avg. from my 22" Ruger, with groups of about 0.8" at 100 yards in the -A3, and in the lighter barrelled Ruger, around 1.2" for 5 shots. The Ruger likes 180's better. The -A3 likes everything from 165 grain on up, and shoots Hornaday, Nosler, Sierra and Speer inside 1" at 100 yards. It just doesn't care. It will probably love this new 153 grain bullet. I'm going to hate it when I finally shoot out the barrel on this rifle and have to get it re-barrelled. I use it as my control for 30-06 loads to see if they are going to be accurate. I shoot golf balls with it and the 35 Whelen at 100 yards when I'm playing around. That's fun by the way. If you do it at a public range it gets some pretty strange looks, too.

 

[greenejc]

I recently inquired at a big specialty machine shop near me about having them turn/cut some solid core bullets for me from free-machine brass. I spoke first to their metallurgist about best materials, and he assured me that solid brass should perform at least as well as copper, and better than bronze, and is much less expensive! I showed him a 131gn Hammer as an example of what I wanted, as a general idea. He assured me that he could reproduce a similar bullet, with a 1/16in. hollow point, with a conical entry, slight boat-tail, and semi-hollow base. It would have 4 rounded ripples around outer wall for rifling contact. I want a 6.5mm 130gn., 7mm 137gn., and a 30cal 149gn. I must order at least 2500 of each, but cost would be $.38-55 ea. pc. If this works out well, I should be set for life on these bullets! Now, ... for the initial cost!!! Somebody pray please!

Will do. Let me know how they work. Were you Army or Marines? I was Army Infantry for 20 years. Got shot at over most of the world. Sometimes, I got to shoot back.

 

[WildRose]

Oh I agree. I live and hunt on the plains of Colorado and Texas. Try shooting at prairie dogs in a 20 mph crosswind with a 25-06 at around 350 to 400 yards. I use the 120 grain Speers for that because they're the highest BC bullet my Ruger No1 will stabilize (1 in 10" twist), and it gets interesting. But if you learn to hit or even 'miss small' at that distance with a P-dog, you don't miss anything the size of an antelope. So I practice on P-dogs in the wind. But back to the bullet: I'd like to know when they have some for sale, and what the load data for them will be for the .308, 30-06 and 300 winmag. Flinx, I hope you'll keep me posted, even though 85 or 90 dollars is pretty high for my pocket book. Let me know how they work on deer and elk if you get the information. I do shoot long range when I can get on a range that has a long range lane, but I don't shoot game past around 500 yards, just because I hate blood trailing animals. I use the .223 on prairie dogs, too, but when the wind is up, anything past 250 yards is pretty much a no go.

My first PD gun was a 70 plus yo single shot .22 short. Dad would give me a box of shorts and tell me to get lost for a few hours.

Sounds like you shot about the same load I did in my Ruger No 1 25-06 back in the late eighties/early 90's.

I loaded them with the old Lee Hand Loading set sitting on the coffee table watching the nightly news.

We used to have a running contest between my neighbor and myself trying to light matches with our handloads at 50 and 100yds. He had the same reloading set for his BLR in 22-50.

Tommy Drank A lot so I usually shot better.

Funny thing I came across that old set of powder measure cups not long ago. Good memories.

 

[greenejc]

How about some 214 hammers loaded in a .30 Sherman?
They are gonna get sent into a pig at over 1k. That is if the low bc doesn't have it fall to the dirt long before it gets to 1k. Or my rifle give up from 80k psi min of pressure.

80K seems a tad high, but if you can shoot that far, and I'm sure you can, they'll do the job. You don't have to have a high BC to do that, you just have to know your drop for that bullet and whether it is consistent in its trajectory. It just gets there a little slower and hits a little lower, but if it hits in the same place, its fine.