Meanwhile on RS they're killin bear, deer, elk , and moose with .223 and 77gr TMK.

[xsn10s]

Excuse me, but it sounds like you have no F-ing idea how an arrow kills!

Arrow kill by sharp pointy lil things lol.

 

[xsn10s]

Here you go

Deadliest Elk Shot Ever Caught On Camera

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Now guess which one had more edible meat

I meant more of the pictures of the trauma to the vitals. So compare say the heart and lung damage of the two to each other. Cool video though. Reminds me of Furman's big horn sheep shot with the 156gr EOL.

 

[xsn10s]

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Does it sound like I trust the government?

 

[Dooner]

Arrow kill by sharp pointy lil things lol.

 

[Darryle]

I meant more of the pictures of the trauma to the vitals. So compare say the heart and lung damage of the two to each other. Cool video though. Reminds me of Furman's big horn sheep shot with the 156gr EOL.

A clean slice bleeds more rapidly.

 

[Wyo37]

I don't disagree with what you're saying and I don't disagree with the RS post, but let's ASSUME these guides have a large sample size. How do you explain that they're seeing the most non recovered game with 270 and smaller?

Here's my point…I agree about seeing impacts, cheaper ammo to practice, easier to shoot, resulting in my practice, but let's face it, most opening day hunters are sighting in their rifles the weekend before the season. This year, in TWO different Colorado seasons, I had guys trying to sight in their rifles on Friday night as it was getting dark, right outside of their camps. And watching impacts, most guys couldn't see an impact from a 22LR.

So now you're back to guys shooting small calibers, still not hitting what they're aiming at, except now you have more wind drift and less forgiving bullets.

If they are sighting in their rifles the day before, night before, or week before, they obviously are not practicing and more than likely don't take shooting and preparation very seriously. They would suck with a magnum or a 22 hornet.

They are the fudds people should strive not to be.

As to the guide question, I don't know. I'd guess most of their clients are shooting bullets that do not maximize the cartridge theyre shooting (ie a mono or bonded bullet). Or perhaps they are guiding the type of guy addressed at the beginning of this post.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Compare the trauma of an elk created by .223/ 77 TMK to that created by a bow and arrow.

How would you compare them. Bullets and broadheads kill in completely different ways.

 

[xsn10s]

Trauma is trauma. When cleaning all you have to do is show the vital organs or arterial damage. This isn't hard to figure out. Bleeding caused by bullet damage, and arrow, a knife is recorded pretty easily by a photo. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

 

[436]

Does it sound like I trust the government?

No! That was my point... Neither of us do. Cheers

 

[PlumberEd]

I try Ed, truth is usually the best humor, in my case, it's kinda sad clown humor

Oh…that pesky money thing!

 

[ButterBean]

Maybe But 25 years with me and 12 more with my daughter and son-in-law shooting the exact same loads As long as the bullet is put where it's supposed to be

It all has to be there but IMO shot placement is at the top of the list

 

[xsn10s]

My new AR15 73gr ELDM load is going 2843 fps with a SD of 14.28. COL 2.300" feeds from my mags with no modification to my upper/ lower/ barrel. Shot it out to 800 yard steel. I might play with my barrel fitment some and also possibly swap out primers to tighten up the groups. At around 1 moa right now.

 

[BigNate]

You won't catch a guide alive letting you use one of these p shooters on a AK grizzly or brown bear hunt, go figure?

And yet Natives use the .223 for tons of game harvesting including bears. Go figure.

 

[436]

And yet Natives use the .223 for tons of game harvesting including bears. Go figure.

I was going to mention that, but... then I thought it would take the conversation out of the boat onto the beach and ice plants. If you were a trooper on a base with a beach and ice plants nearby... you know what I mean.