Long range HUNTING cartridges limitations

Bowfishn said:
I have seen Bucks soak up a heart lung shot from a 30-06 with an exit hole I could put my fist in and still run a hundred yards before piling up and on the other hand I saw my Brother in law shoot a Buck at 75 yards in the heart with a 22 Mag rifle and the deer dropped dead in it's tracks. Depending on situation and the deers adrenaline as well as will to live. There is no certainty in the way the animal will react.
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Only time I've ever seen a bang flop is if ii hit the cns. Their will to live is simply incredible
 
Shooting a 300win mag and Barnes 168gr for close range at around 3200fps. I've had 2 bang flops with whitetail. Both taking out shoulders and stuff in between. My whitetail last year weighed 200lbs dressed. Shot directly sideways and took it's heart completely out of it's chest, 3 ribs, and a softball sized chunk of lung hanging out the exit hole. He still ran 80yds... At least it was an easy track. They're tough animals. That's why I would never go after something that is even tougher and can kill and eat you or someone else with something I would feel is underpowered for the situation. Now if that griz were to be shot with a tough expanding 160gr 6.5 projectile at close range I would have no problem with it.
 
MudRunner2005 said:
Then you should try a 168 VLD going about 3,115 FPS MV right through the heart/lungs (just through the back of the shoulder where it hits no heavy bone, just ribs)... :cool:
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Might work on those smaller bodied Alabama deer but when you connect with a larger northern buck guaranteed to run unless you get spine or neck. Pretty sure that deer my wife hit with the 162 would tell the difference in 6grains of bullet lol
 
Creedmoor shooter said:
Might work on those smaller bodied Alabama deer but when you connect with a larger northern buck guaranteed to run unless you get spine or neck. Pretty sure that deer my wife hit with the 162 would tell the difference in 6grains of bullet lol
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Don't think Alabama deer are any less susceptible to run, or less tough. When I was 17, I had to track one with guts tore-out that still ran for over 200 yards through a pine thicket. They're just as tough, but might not be as large.

And I'm referring to bullet construction and design, the extra 6 grains of weight won't make any difference.
 
I have had bang flops with Wyoming elk and Mule deer with lung hits using Berger 140 VLD's, 168 Ballistic tips, and 168 A-max's. Just depends on the situation and the animal.
 
MudRunner2005 said:
Then you should try a 168 VLD going about 3,115 FPS MV right through the heart/lungs (just through the back of the shoulder where it hits no heavy bone, just ribs)... :cool:
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When you say VLD do you use 168 VLD Hunting or 168 VLD Target because there is a difference in Jacket thickness.
 
I'm just busting your chops alittle mud :) i was just saying I don't believe in this particular deer any other bullet wouldve made the difference as that bullet completely fell apart and his heart and lungs came out in itty bitty chunks. I hear of everyone having these bang flops but I've never ever seen it on a heart/lung shot with everything from 243, 25-06, 6.5 creed, 7mm mag etc. Not that our deer run very far but they still run.
 
I think the most important thing that gets hinted about all the time is user experience. It is not the limitations of the cartridge 99% of the time. It is the limitations of the shooter. Margin of error and environmental conditions limit us, not the cartridge. That bullet is still flying just as fast and hitting just as hard, but the mental math and the physical skill to get it to hit the same point are up to us. For me personally, is like using the biggest cartridge I can shoot precisely and accurately, but I'm not going to knock anyone using a smaller caliber. If you put in the range time to build your skill, that is more important than picking a better cartridge on paper.
 
Creedmoor shooter said:
I'm just busting your chops alittle mud :) i was just saying I don't believe in this particular deer any other bullet wouldve made the difference as that bullet completely fell apart and his heart and lungs came out in itty bitty chunks. I hear of everyone having these bang flops but I've never ever seen it on a heart/lung shot with everything from 243, 25-06, 6.5 creed, 7mm mag etc. Not that our deer run very far but they still run.
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I've had a few in my day. Most recently was with my 7RM with the 168 VLD's at around 200 yards. It was a heart shot, and she just dropped like it was from a heart attack. The bullet just penciled-through and barely left a couple drops of blood on the ground. When my uncle met me with the Mule, he was shocked at how little blood was on the ground and there was hardly any visible wounds except the small entrance and exit. Turns out it didn't even hit any bone so it never expanded like they're supposed to. But it did the job as intended.
 
What would you all say the limitations with this round is? Giving the shot was placed right.

Thanks in advance.

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