Loaning a suppressor on private property?

[Sniper1970]

Any clue what the law says about loaning a suppressor to a friend or guest on private property? To be clear this would be on a large TX ranch where the Can will not ever leave the property. More or less going from the camp to the blind. Thanks

Joe S

Whomever the surpressor is registered to has to be present (within arms reach) of the nfa item. Along with a copy of the tax stamp. It's fine to let me use it you just have to be present .

 

[sturner]

Our game warden in the county we hunt in is a gun smith and dealer he sells suppressers great warden to come and visit with us
I wouldn't test him by doing anything that might be questionable concerning the can or anything else

 

[david g ranes]

All they need is "just cause" , they just claim that an unnamed informant called and claimed there was illegal hunting going on on your property. No warrant needed--- just like if someone called and said you were beating your spouse, no need for a warrant to come check it out.

I had a warden talk to me for awhile during our rifle season this year he was a highway patrol retired before a warden he told me that they can't check any thing you have in house or vehicle with out a warrant that they just play people that don't know the laws I told him I had always understood federal was different but he said they have the same regs to follow as any law enforcement. David

 

[lou400a]

my queston is WHY do you need a Suppressor ?????? the animal should be dead way before the sound ever gets to him. 1 Shot, One 1 Kill

To protect my hearing, that's why. I don't care to don on hearing protection before taking a shot or have my ears on and not being able to hear my surroundings

 

[375Shooter]

With the caveat that I am not a lawyer, my understanding is that Sniper1970 has this one right. The NFA holder must be present and local to the item.

 

[DavidC89]

Still waiting to hear from anyone hunting on Private Property, particularly in Texas that has been checked for paperwork or suppressor related infractions. Anyone owning one should be aware of the law. We started buying suppressors in 2013 and we have been visited by TPWD officers every year and there are always suppressed rifles in plain sight. I keep copies of my paperwork in both of my trucks and my range box. I have loaned suppressed rifles to people hunting the same ranch numerous times, I wouldn't loan to just anyone. I am assuming SealTeam 4 is aware of the law but real world input would be helpful. It is a really good question........

I read a lot of the threads on this site but haven't ever contributed yet. I figure this area might be a good way to start. I'm in Texas, hunt in Texas and am a LEO. I can tell you that most LEO's don't know the ATF rules and could care less about suppressors with firearms as long as you aren't a felon. I'd everything about you/your group checks out they won't bother with suppressors most of the time. Most of the guys I work with call me with firearm related questions while dealing with them on calls cause they don't know much about them. I have several suppressors and hunt with other LEO's and the suppressors sometimes gets "shared" under "supervision". Hope this helped!

 

[George Dean]

It only takes 1 time, I dont mess around with nfa laws, the penalties are too steep for me to play games with "will they show up?"
As others said, it must be in your possesion/supervision at all times- or in the presence of an approved trust member

I spent 36 yrs btw active duty & law enforcement. Served with many honorable people & a few that would cut your throat for an advantage. It only takes one rat to destroy your life. That's why all of my threaded barrels have a QD mount for cans. You need my rifle, fine, if you'e not going to be in my presence, the can comes off. And I always carry a copy of my trust near at hand. Merry Christmas to you all!

 

[Braunschweiger]

ATF states you are required to directly supervise/be in control of it. Someone can have the firearm and can in their hands as long as you are there with them.

 

[Aaron Tangsrud]

Any clue what the law says about loaning a suppressor to a friend or guest on private property? To be clear this would be on a large TX ranch where the Can will not ever leave the property. More or less going from the camp to the blind. Thanks

Joe S

You must be in control and supervising the use of the suppressor at all times. Most interpretations of this say that means the individual using your suppressor must be within ear shot of you so that you can tell them what and what not to do with the suppressor. So unless they are on your trust, or you go sit in the blind with them, they cannot borrow the suppressor in the way you have described.

 

[danajm]

But they would need a warrant to be on your property anyway.

Negative GhostRider. Might want to review case law... open field is not curtilage...

 

[Stringstalker]

Since when are wildlife officers above the law....they don't have any special right to trespass without permission...and if they were trespassing without permission and a warrant they can be hung for carrying a firearm onto private property without permission.....

I don't want to get into a argument, but if wildlife is being pursued, which here in the US, is part of the seven pillars of the North American model for wildlife conservation, wildlife is a public trust resource. This means wildlife belongs to the state. The game warden has been employees to cary out those laws. If a warden thinks hunting of game is happening on private land he should go and enforce wildlife laws. Wildlife belongs to the state. Not the king.

 

[hokiehunter]

There are only 2 "people" that can ask for paperwork. ATF agent or IRS. Since it's "tax information" by legality standpoint Conservation officer or loach sheriff/Leo cannot ask for it.

FALSE! You really shouldn't give out nonsense information like this without knowing what you're talking about. Any certified law enforcement officer can ask for paperwork related to a possible violation of law at any level. You can either choose to produce it or not. If they are not federally sworn they will not be the ones placing a charge on you but they will be the ones testifying against you in court following further investigation and consultation with a federally sworn officer and federal prosecutor if deemed necessary. You could avoid the whole headache by producing your paperwork if requested and keeping your NFA items within your control. If you want someone to be able to use a NFA item while not in your direct control then add the item and the person you wish to be able to use them to a trust and cover your butt or you can roll the dice.

 

[FEENIX]

my queston is WHY do you need a Suppressor ?????? the animal should be dead way before the sound ever gets to him. 1 Shot, One 1 Kill

The bottom-line, it's because it boils down to personal choice. Those of us that own one have varying reasons.

 

[Brasshog]

^ good point don't let law enforcement on your property without a warrant. Boom.

Game warden does not need warrant and ATF will site violation. BUT the odds it is ever checked on private property would be ultra rare at best