Loaning a suppressor on private property?

[Boatninja]

Still waiting to hear from anyone hunting on Private Property, particularly in Texas that has been checked for paperwork or suppressor related infractions. Anyone owning one should be aware of the law. We started buying suppressors in 2013 and we have been visited by TPWD officers every year and there are always suppressed rifles in plain sight. I keep copies of my paperwork in both of my trucks and my range box. I have loaned suppressed rifles to people hunting the same ranch numerous times, I wouldn't loan to just anyone. I am assuming SealTeam 4 is aware of the law but real world input would be helpful. It is a really good question........

 

[WeiserBucks]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. NFA violations often include prison sentences.

 

[hunter67wa]

In many states the Game Wardens don't need a warrant to trespass or search. Funny some LEO agencies have figured this out and use the game department to "go look for us" because we don't have enough pc for a warrant.

Yes breaking Federal laws at times have mandatory minimums.

 

[cohunt]

Still waiting to hear from anyone hunting on Private Property, particularly in Texas that has been checked for paperwork or suppressor related infractions. Anyone owning one should be aware of the law. We started buying suppressors in 2013 and we have been visited by TPWD officers every year and there are always suppressed rifles in plain sight. I keep copies of my paperwork in both of my trucks and my range box. I have loaned suppressed rifles to people hunting the same ranch numerous times, I wouldn't loan to just anyone. I am assuming SealTeam 4 is aware of the law but real world input would be helpful. It is a really good question........

No matter if you have ever heard of anyone getting checked for paperwork or not--- why would you chance it? Like I said, it only takes 1 time....you could loose all your nfa items, loose all your fire arm rights, be fined up to $250000 as an individual or up to $500000 as an entity, spend up to 5 years in prison for misdemeanors, and more-- just so a "buddy" can pop off a few shots at a deer?

 

[T3ninja]

^^^^^
This is my understanding also, unless the person is on the Trust.
Around here, I have yet to hear of any LE or Game Warden asking for paperwork on a can. Does not mean it has not happened, just unaware.
That said, the chances of an ATF agent patrolling your hunting property is probably slim.
I do load dev for people at times, this summer I got pulled over by an HP, friends rifle with a can standing upright against the front passenger seat, I am out of bounds here. Not even a 2nd glance from him.

There are only 2 "people" that can ask for paperwork. ATF agent or IRS. Since it's "tax information" by legality standpoint Conservation officer or loach sheriff/Leo cannot ask for it.

 

[PAGSDIII701]

Without reading any other single response, I'd strongly suggest/recommend getting a Trust (adding them to an existing one?) figured-out. Safest bet...

 

[msmith57]

Any clue what the law says about loaning a suppressor to a friend or guest on private property? To be clear this would be on a large TX ranch where the Can will not ever leave the property. More or less going from the camp to the blind. Thanks

Joe S

my queston is WHY do you need a Suppressor ?????? the animal should be dead way before the sound ever gets to him. 1 Shot, One 1 Kill

 

[Feugo Jeuvo]

Has anyone ever had an issue with LEO's and suppressors? That is who we need to hear from.

I had a Border Patrol agent in Arizona tell me that my suppressors were illegal during a checkpoint inspection while we were hunting coyotes. I asked for a supervisor and asked where he was from (New Jersey). I told him that I was calling the county sheriff and the ATF. The supervisor came over and was so concerned that he asked if he could hear them in action and told me to enjoy my day. Mr New Jersey got educated

 

[el Pollero]

When dealing with possible felony's, it's always a better idea to play it safe.
It will never be a problem until something happens and people end up in prison

 

[yogibearmech]

Depends do you have a NFA trust? Is it just a tax stamp? If you have a trust you can add that person to the trust and then they can use it. If it is just a tax stamp in your name then you have to be present with stamp or copy of stamp

 

[2Rope]

Just check with the issuing agency...?

 

[Feugo Jeuvo]

my queston is WHY do you need a Suppressor ?????? the animal should be dead way before the sound ever gets to him. 1 Shot, One 1 Kill

The advantage is for the shooters hearing preservation. And it's America

 

[doctorjj]

The ATF's definition of "illegal transfer" has no basis in reality or common sense. If I loan my son my truck (or any other property) and he takes it out of my sight, have I transferred ownership to him? Obviously not. I doubt the ATF regulations requiring this "direct supervision" are codified in law. I've never seen where it was. All that being said, I don't break rules that have stiff penalties, even if I think they are stupid or unconstitutional, so I always keep mine under supervision.

 

[AKPilot]

If "THEY" know it could be a problem if the Stamp Owner is not there. But, then again....how are "THEY" going to know??

Could always just add to trust and give shooter a copy then remove when done.