Idaho adventure with Shawn comes to an end!!!

[Jtomlinson]

Kirby

Thanks for the heads up on the Manners stock, based on this and your comments in your kind e-mail response to my previous stock questions, I contacted Tom Manners who kindly provided all the further information I required to allow me to take the decision to order one for my Remmington long action sendero project.

Now all I need do is figure out how to get you over this side of the Atlantic to work your rifle magic, maybe a Federal extradition warrant may do the trick /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Thanks again for all your kind advice and reports

Jonathan Tomlinson

 

[sierra22]

600NITRO, why not contact one of your local smiths?
Scotland based http://www.precisionrifles.com/, I believe Callum has built a few winning rifles.

 

[Jtomlinson]

Sierra

You are right Callum Ferguson does some fine work, sadly, he like the other 4-5 builders of custom rifles for precision long range work ( possibly even less than this number as some of this number tend to specialise mainly in target and "F" class rifle build) have a large amount of work on the go and consequently lead time for any work such as re-barreling can be many months to new build in terms of 1 or moreyears

The Solution seems an easy one, import more custom gunmakers!!!

Quite what our Police licensing authorities would make of a rash of applications for 338-408 AM's for 1 mile shooting I don't know, but it would be fun to find out /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Mountainsheep]

600NITRO,

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The Solution seems an easy one, import more custom gunmakers!!!

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At the present time the US & the UK have a very friendly rlationship; if you take our smiths, things might get ugly /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I'm sure they might be temped by those regal antlers of the Red Stag & the long-range opportunities offered in the heathered hills, but hopefully we can keep them here. Maybe Kirby will chime in with his feelings about wearing a kilt /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Have a happy holiday season,
Dave

 

[Jtomlinson]

Mountainsheep

Whatever happened to the mutualality of exchange of technology and information with your trans-atlantic cousins. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Those kilts are very fecthing and practical and the heather clad hills specatcular covered in snow!

Maybe we could just borrow Kirby on lend lease!!!

Have a great thanks giving

Jonathan

 

[bailey1474]

Well, I've been admiring this post for a day or so. I guess it's time to say congrats and thanks for sharing a wonderful story!!! I know I along w/many others look up to you and your shooting and gunsmithing skills. Hearing you describe your misses just shows you how humbling this game can be!! Thanks for sharing all the details, good and bad. It'll make me feel much better if I miss!!

 

[Shawn Carlock]

As always hunting, especially long range, is a learning experience. Kirby was a great client he got a little down on his misses early on but that is natural for anyone. He never once complained about anything, was always willing to stay out until the very last available shooting ligh before leaving our location and was in general a pleasure to have guided. About misses: misses happen, unseen conditions happen, the only thing you can do is to learn from them. I have to commend Kirby for coming before a group of his peers and giving the whole story both high and low. There are many people that would have told of only the sucessful hit or hunt or just not told of it at all. I believe that Kirby deserved the buck he got for many reasons, he is a very good shot, has his equipment squared away, but most of all kept his head in the game despite some setbacks. I believe he deserves the buck and the congrats he has gotton here. Telling of his misses and setbacks just shows he is the real deal.

 

[Fiftydriver]

Thanks for all the replies to the post. I appreciate the kind words.

As far as wearing kilts????? I am not one to enjoy a cold draft around the boys if you know what I mean!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Now hunting red stag, thats another story!!! All for that.

Again thanks for your kind words. In my opinion, much more is learned by misses then hits. All goes well with a hit on big game. When you miss, in most cases something went wrong, generally its pilot error but in many cases its set up errors or misjudging the conditions.

Seldom is a miss a result of mechanical error if your using a quality rifle. That is generally the first place we look because its much easier to blame the rifle or scope or load then put it on ourselves for the miss.

Case in point, My trip to Idaho, obviously the rifle and load were up to the tast with three hits to the vitals at 850 yards. The misses are on me pure and simple but valuable lessons were learned and everything worked out very well!!

Again thanks for the kind words.

Kirby Allen(50)

 

[Michael Eichele]

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Seldom is a miss a result of mechanical error if your using a quality rifle. That is generally the first place we look because its much easier to blame the rifle or scope or load then put it on ourselves for the miss.

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Ditto.

Personaly, I would rather hear or read about the misses or occasional bad hit. I think tooooo many shooters skip all that and go right to the events about the last shot. I prefer to read real life. We are not perfect and in hunting there are no guarantees. I still maintain that we harvest game cleaner at 600-1K than the average hunter does at 200 yards. I always try and write about the good and the bad as well. The goal is that someone might read that, even if they think less of me because I "screwed up" (look in the mirror, we all do!) and learn from it and NOT make the same mistake.

Congrats on a he?? of a buck!

 

[Fiftydriver]

Meichele,

I think alot of those out there that are not educated about LR hunting feel there is no real skill involved in our sport, You simply pick out the animal you want and pull the trigger.

In all actuallity and as we all know that could not be farther from the truth. Getting set up on a long range shot takes time and in many cases you do not have enough time and you do not get a shot.

On the other side of the coin you have these guys beating though the brush taking jump shots at whitetails as they zip through the brush, which is more ethical and which is more respectful to game is my questions.

Long range hunters seldom if ever disturb game and you can often see the same animals day after day in their nature state, not running from intrusive hunters!!!

Do long range hunters miss, you bet, probably not near as much as bush beaters though because we shoot a fraction as much as they do and in most cases make clean kills.

I have always felt that if you are well prepared for a long range shot with good gear and you miss, in the vast majority of cases, the miss will be a clean miss. Not sure why this is but it seems to work out that way more often then not.

The goal is to kill your game as quickly as possible with only one shot, this does not happen all the time no matter what the range.

I have no reason to come off like I never miss. I was told long ago its best to be straight with others because when you build yourself up to be perfect, thats about the time someone comes along and makes you look like a fool. Generally that person is yourself!!!

We all strive for perfection but that never happens. Does not matter weither your shooting at 200 yards or 1000 yards, sooner or later, you will not be perfect and thats good to know and prepare for just in case there is a miss and you have to deal with it quickly.

Good Shooting!!

Kirby Allen(50)

 

[Chenault]

Congratulations on your hunt and nice shooting!

 

[Nomosendero]

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Mountainsheep,

It was certainly an education for me for sure!!!

Finally I pulled my head out of my rear and did my job with those three hits. Far more then needed but I was in the Make Sure mode by that time of the hunt! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kirby Allen(50)

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Sorry, been gone awhile but this was a great story & had to
comment.

About shooting him 3 times:
I understand that, I have had a mishap or two as well. Once
I shot a nice, wide racked Buck, I was in a very tall, derrick type stand in South AR. As I started climbing down with the rifle over my shoulder, I saw the Buck raise his head. Instead of shooting him again, I continued to climb down & he jumped up & ran away. I lost the trail about a half mile into the thickets. This taught me to shoot them
again whether I think they are dead on their feet or not.

Kirby, congrats on taking a great Whitetail! And thanks for telling the whole story, the only people that don't mess up
are those that aren't doing anything!

 

[Fiftydriver]

nomosendero,

Thanks for the kind words and reply.

Kirby Allen(50)

 

[chain]

Kirby I don't know you or Shawn, only what I have read here on this site and others. I can say that I know that the two of you are very STAND UP professionals and I thank you both for all the insight you give to me and others like me who are just learning this long range game. Nice buck, and nice story. Thanks