Hornady has strange recommendations

[Calvin45]

It would seem they are correct in this case based on comments by posters as well as Hornady's response

They're wrong about the eldm and eldx being the exact same thing. That's not me promoting the eldx either, but it is thicker jacketed and supposedly has an interlock ring. Unfortunately it's also reportedly less accurate and copper fouls terribly. I don't know, I have only used the eld m.

Not wanting to seem critical but I just don't see how we'd expect to hear unbiased advice on bullet selection from individual bullet makers, Barnes or hornady. I wouldn't phone up the Ford dealership and ask them if they thought the gmc vehicle I was considering would be suitable for my needs.

 

[Calvin45]

And that's not saying anything against Barnes bullets. For this application I do in fact think they'd be a much better choice

 

[WYO300RUM]

The SST is good enough to you? I found they blow up worse than the Nosler BT

I just started reading post from begining.
I see some of you had the same experiences with the same bullets . Lol!

 

[WYO300RUM]

Are grizzly bones really heavier than elk bones? I have my doubts - the eldx has been awesome on elk for me.

Shorter in length maybe. Diameter ? I doubt it also.

 

[Dry Heat?]

I've never needed to put a 2nd Barnes Bullet into any Living Creature I've shot with them. Coyotes, Antelope Deer, Elk, Bear, Sheep. All DRT. Well the Bull Elk did walk a few steps

 

[Overkill338]

Just called Barnes. he told me that they Hornady ELD X is exactly the same bullet as the ELD M and is really a target bullet.
I guess Ill try it on a deer this fall but for hogs Im going to demo some Barnes TTSX and Nosler Accubonds and see which one the rifle likes better

Nope, they aren't. Completely different jackets.

Barnes? As in Barnes Bullets? The possible real world shortcomings of the eld-x for certain heavy duty applications aside, of course Barnes would tell you that. They've spent lots of time and effort trying to convince people that bergers aren't real hunting bullets, that lead is bad, that 100 percent weight retention is the most important thing to consider regarding terminal ballistics, that bullets that fragment are bullets that we should say "failed" even if they kill 3 times faster.

I agree with you, Barnes don't know jack **** about Hornady bullets. They just want you to buy their over priced copper bullets.

It would seem they are correct in this case based on comments by posters as well as Hornady's response

Again, wrong. There are pictures of the two cut in half side by side, completely different.

Now call Barnes back and tell them how wrong they are.

*insert mic drop here*

 

[Overkill338]

just spoke with Hornady because I had to hear it first hand for myself. The guy told me they are made for 800 and longer shots and will explode if they hit bone at closer distances. Its not that they wont do that also at longer distances, its that they are made for soft tissue shots and most likely deer and elk
Wouldnt you think they would make that clear in their packaging??? really disappointed with this information but glad that I got it now before hunting season.
Has anybody here used them on animals within 100-300 yds? What was the result?
Thinking Ive got to now do load development for Barnes projectiles.

They blew up on entry. I asked about them in another forum, and got some replies basically saying don't try it.

If I'm not mistaken, the ELDs and SST are just plain cup and core bullets. So they are not recommending cup and core bullets on dangerous game because they don't have the structural integrity for deep penetration. Make sense to me.

I discussed my 300 grain 338 VLDs with a friend shooting a 6.5 creedmore and he said that even if the 300 grain bullet sheds 50% of its weight, it still larger than the 6.5 creedmore bullet starting out. Thought that was a good line.

This reminds me of a thread I read about the 30 cal 180 grain Nosler BTs. It stated that it wasn't intended for heavy game but since people were using it, they thickened the jackets of those bullets. They had some cross section comparisons in that thread that seemed to confirm it.

You are correct. The ELD and SST is just old cup and core technology. If I had to use Hornady, I'd want an Interbond now.

 

[WYO300RUM]

It isn't the exact same bullet. On one of these threads there is a pic of the two cut open. The eldm doesn't have the interlock ring and the jacket at the base isn't as thick.

Was on the ELDX for Grizzlie thread.

 

[Overkill338]

@FIGJAM

Here ya go

 

[WYO300RUM]

I've never needed to put a 2nd Barnes Bullet into any Living Creature I've shot with them. Coyotes, Antelope Deer, Elk, Bear, Sheep. All DRT. Well the Bull Elk did walk a few steps

Ditto on that but going to try some Hammers this year. Have used Barnes TSX and TTSX for many years. One shot kills. Bone crushers also if you need it.

 

[WYO300RUM]

@FIGJAM

Here ya go

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They arent even close .

 

[NeedForSpeed]

It isn't the exact same bullet. On one of these threads there is a pic of the two cut open. The eldm doesn't have the interlock ring and the jacket at the base isn't as thick.

That is a little comforting but their response had the opposite effect.

 

[Overkill338]

That is a little comforting but their response had the opposite effect.

Ok, I don't know how many more ways to explain this. No one with any common sense would take a Remington Corelokt or a Winchester Power Point after a Kodiak bear. The ELD-X is the same thing as those two, only the eld has a plastic tip, and is built lighter for performance over 500 yards. The Corelokt will be stronger than the ELD-X.

I'm posting this picture once more since everyone seemed to over look it.

 

[cohunt]

Ok, I don't know how many more ways to explain this. No one with any common sense would take a Remington Corelokt or a Winchester Power Point after a Kodiak bear. The ELD-X is the same thing as those two, only the eld has a plastic tip, and is built lighter for performance over 500 yards. The Corelokt will be stronger than the ELD-X.

I'm posting this picture once more since everyone seemed to over look it.

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how is a core-lokt stronger than and eld-x? jacket looks thicker on the eld-x to me

people have proven that the eld-x works well at any distance when shot into soft tissue, some people like to shoot bone--- place the bullet in the vitals and it will kill--- plenty of bear, elk, moose, buffalo, etc were killed back when there was only cup/core bullets

partition bullets were a step up over cup/core and they came around in 1948-- even dead soft lead ball rounds from black powder will kill large game, you just need to know the limitations of the bullet you are using and put it in the right spot

a lot of the "manufactures recommendations" are marketing hype used to sell multiple/ "premium" bullets

I have a good family friend that has taken over 2 dozen "dangerous game" and "African game" species with 1 rifle and 1 bullet--a 300win mag shooting factory winchester super X power point bullets (soft lead nose cup and core bullet)--go figure