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Help: every time I go to Kansas I get pulled over

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I agree with some of what you stated, but I don't believe we are in the toilet nearly as bad as you feel we are. Yes, we have problems that need fixing and, yes, there are lousy cops in their profession just like people in others. The big picture in our country is the complete disrespect our younger generation has for authority of any type whether it be cops, teachers, parents or whatever. I was in a LE type of job with the state of MI for over 30 years and we had good, bad, and average people in my job just like everywhere else and unions don't help the matter when bad ones get hired and should be fired and the union backs them. That, however, is a whole different thread we could discuss for many days. I live in a small town and knew all the people in law enforcement, including the top cop and county Prosecutor. Back in the 70s and early 80s when my stepson got in trouble and was arrested a couple times I could probably have gotten him out of trouble with the position I held and people I knew. However, one night he called from jail one Saturday night to ask me to bail him out and I told him I'd be down at the courthouse on Monday afternoon and see if he had learned a lesson. He ended up sleeping on the cold floor in a cell because all the bunks were full and when Monday came he had seen the light and he's now 48 and has been and upstanding citizen since then with nary a problem.

This is well off track from the OP but I want to respond to this as the subject is near and dear to my heart.

Well I'd love to be wrong about this, truly I would for my daughters sake and the love I have for this country. What you said about respect us true, and goes much deeper than just this generation. There is nothing wrong with the current generation of kids that we the parents didn't cause. I know because in two tours in Iraq and Afghanistan I have personally seen some of these young people do amazing and extraordinary things, just like the generations before them, when they were led correctly.

It all goes to leadership. Any failures in young people today are also our failures as leaders, not only theirs as individuals. When we create the kinds of media and society these kids are growing up on...what did we think would happen? We went from Andy Griffith to the Family Guy. We went from American heros like Matt Dillon to Snoop Dogg. We went from respect for life to abortion for minors without even parental consent. We went from a President Nixon resigning in shame over a lie about what he knew, to a president that felt no shame at all and argued with the law over the definition of the word "is", to now a president who does not feel bound by the law at all! We went from parenting being about discipline and time with the kids to nowadays where parenting is about giving the kids stuff instead of time, and drugs instead of discipline. Shame no longer exists, pride in accomplishment or the fruit of labor is considered unjust, and making the most basic moral judgment about another's behavior means you are a bigot or racist regardless of facts. This is madness no society can long endure.

What did we really think would be the outcome of all this? If many young people now are self centered with no respect for others or the American way of life, well that is what we taught them. I am neither surprised or optimistic about where that leads.

At a Ferguson protest in Denver with many high schoolers in attendance, an ill motorist ran over 4 police officers in an accident. Some of the students there laughed as one officer who is now fighting for his life was dragged down the street. You cannot effectively police on a widespread scale those kind of completely unprincipled and amoral people within the constraints of the Constitution...and I refuse to live in the kind of police state it would require to bring such lowlifes into submission. Not to mention we must somehow gather new police offices from this same generation. So yes, I believe there is a reckoning coming.

The liberty I believe all men should have the opportunity to raise their families in can only exist in a country with moral values. John Adams said of the document he worked so hard to help create : "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." The government created by our Constitution will only be constrained by that document if the people in Government are moral enough to follow it. Tyranny will be avoided in any country only if the citizenry are responsible and moral enough to hold their government accountable to the rule of law instead of using government as a weapon to take money or power from their fellow citizens.

Frankly, like any addict, I think it will take hitting rock bottom and finally realizing what we have lost before we begin to understand anew the true value of that traditional moral code we have given up in exchange for the new American gods of tolerance, political correctness, convenience, and entertainment. Kipling called these new gods the "Gods of the Marketplace".

I want desperately to be wrong by the way. But I do not believe we can escape the consequences of following the gods of the marketplace as Kipling put it.

I'm not much into poetry, in fact this one poem I mentioned is the only one I ever cared for. It's called The Gods of the Copybook Headings by Rudyard Kipling. In the old days when kids were taught in one room local schoolhouses they used copy books to learn their reading and writing, and the headings they copied were moral precepts you could found a life on, live in peace with your neighbor with, and preserve liberty with. The headings were quotes from the Book of Proverbs, the founding fathers, and plain common sense. The poem is a dire warning against abandoning those timeless principles, and I get something new from it every time I re-read it. It chronicles how man always seems to followthe gods of the marketplace who are selling what is trendy or attractive or politically correct instead of the TRUTH of the Gods of the Zcopybook Headings. Would this country return to the Gods of the Copybook Headings again!! Maybe everything we need to know really was once taught in kindergarten.

The Gods of the Copybook Headings by Rudyard Kipling

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!


Our situation is dire and will become more so, but it is not hopeless. We can turn back to what we once knew again. We just need to have enough patriots to lead the way.
 
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I'm as happy as can be, but do tell it like it is and you, Sir, have been diagnosed with a real bad case of LE paranoia. Get a life and get help!
You sir have been diagnosed as a cop who won't admit that he does this very thing and loves it.:D
 
KYpatriot---That was about the best post on our current problems that I may have ever read and I can't dis gree with much of anything you stated. I definitely concur that the problems with the current younger generation(s) was not all caused by themselves. That was a very deep post that I'm sure took some time to make and I appreciate that more than you know!
 
You sir have been diagnosed as a cop who won't admit that he does this very thing and loves it.:D


And you, Sir, are nuts because I was not a cop! I stated I had a LE TYPE of job. It was with the MI Dept. of Agriculture and was nothing even close to a LE cop like you are worrying about. You just don't like to hear the truth after you started this thread accusing everyone but yourself of wrongdoing! PS: I've also been retired for 12 1/2 years and am having a ball in the outdoors.
 
And you, Sir, are nuts because I was not a cop! I stated I had a LE TYPE of job. It was with the MI Dept. of Agriculture and was nothing even close to a LE cop like you are worrying about. You just don't like to hear the truth after you started this thread accusing everyone but yourself of wrongdoing! PS: I've also been retired for 12 1/2 years and am having a ball in the outdoors.
Oh dear, you are so gullible and your ego and arrogance will have served you well harassing farmers.

"truth" is subjective. You think you read something and interpret it your way. Doesn't make it so.

Calling BS is just a cheap shot. What you are saying is I am a lying paranoid who should be checked into a mental institution. So basically a personal attack.

Mods. Please lock this thread.
 
YES PLEASE DO!!! Nothing constructive, just figure out what to do on your own please. There is no way you could not have known this was going to happen with the opinions of everyone!!!

Kasey
 
I had plenty of constructive suggestions and explanations of why. This years trip to Kansas is over. Exchange of constructive information will be used next year. I can deal with 'profiling' California plates, boredom, or fishing.

Problem solved with your help.

There are those that would help a brother in need and those that wouldn't. To those that provided explanations and suggestions that were positive thank you so much. I will do my best to take your advice next year. The biggest help is to know it's not really me. The LEO is 'doing his job'. I'm good with that.

Yes it is sad that so many people focus on harassment of those they can get to instead of solving a problem or helping understand why it happens.

so

For those that said "you should" or "BS" or what ever negativity you created or imagined. Hmm, can't say much other than and unfortunately you are in the "wouldn't help a brother in need" group.
 
And you sir, should go to college to learn some writing skills, and some people skills. I hope I never run into you, or any other LEO with your attitude (which is hard to do), on the road.

10 tickets in 40 years of driving and you think you're an upstanding citizen, LOL! Yea, you're a cop magnet alright and it sounds like there's a good reason for it! Anyone that has that kind of a record needs to shut their yapper and learn how to behave with the rest of the citizens that obey the law. Take it somewhere else and cry on someone else's shoulder, as you aren't going to get any sympathy when cops are getting shot routinely for "just minor traffic infractions" and you come on here like the majority of them are bad and just looking to cause you trouble! There are a few rotten apples in every barrel and you may want to look at yourself as one of them in a barrel somewhere if you've had that many tickets and are now bragging how great your record is! I've been driving since 1963 and have been pulled over twice in that long period of time. Both were back in the mid 70s when I was in my 20s and both resulted in speeding tickets. One was going 35 in a 25 and the judge dismissed the fine and costs when I showed him a picture of the sign for the lower speed that was completely covered by a tree branch. The other was paid in full, as I was going 70 in a 55 zone when the limits were lowered nationwide during that time period. I learned my lesson and haven't been pulled over in a traffic stop since then. The cop you mentioned had no idea who you were or that you were an upstanding Church goer on your way to see Mama, so put yourself in their shoes and give them a break because most are just doing a thankless job only to get dumped on by horses butts like you appear to be to have even started this thread!
 
lots of heat here.

I have been pulled over many times and when I was younger it seems like I got a ticket every time. as I have gotten older, I don't get them as often. I think its because I show respect to the officer and treat him like a man, not a cop. There are **%)(#$** out there, no question, and you still may as well treat them like men and give them respect because that is what they are looking for. if they get it, they may not give a ticket to the next guy. My wife has a cousin in KCMO who is a cop. Started out on a traffic beat, went to a bike, then to the SWAT team, and doing undercover work now snagging prostitutes and drug salesmen. When he was a beat cop, he never pulled anybody over for going less than 100 miles per hour, he is a real cop and he gets real criminals.

Its a shame to the officer that pulls you over and gets off on the power he has. He is telling on himself, He is telling you that he is weak and not self-assured by being a *****. Try to help this guy to become a man his mother can be proud of by giving him respect and dignity.
 
I'm not sure which is worse, citizens thinking all cops are dirty or cops thinking every citizen is out to kill them and acting accordingly. Neither situation is productive.

The sum total of my interactions with police as an honest citizen:
1) 17yo - rolled a car on a gravel road after topping a hill and hitting a soft freshly graded stretch. Cop found 4-wheeler tracks and tried to railroad both me and my father that they were my Ford Escort riding into and out of the ditch more than a dozen times before the spot where I lost it. Forget that the tread and wheelbase were not a match by any stretch of the imagination. The final police report, which I was railroaded to sign as a scared teenager, was a complete fabrication. I was accused of driving without a license and even though I told them it was in the glove box they were going to write me up without checking until the partner went and got it later.
2) Written for 75 in a 70 on the freeway. I was tired, not paying attention after exiting a long traffic jam, and was doing 81. Deserved it, professional interaction.
3) Written for 70 in a 65. Told I was pulling out to accelerate and pass, but I was getting left to make a left after the freeway ended as my truck had a huge blindspot so I was getting over early. Don't know who he was hitting with radar but it wasn't me, but not worth the fight.
4) Some buddies and I decided to shoot a propane tank in the middle of an 80 acre plot of private property. Some busybody called it in. Sheriff showed up, held us for two hours running serials on all guns and confiscating video saying we'd get it back the next day after his seargant viewed it. No charges filed, I worked for 2 years to get the cassette back. FInally got a voicemail that if I bothered the officer about it again he'd have me prosecuted, he'd destroyed it. Not sure how an officer can take property without receipt, destroy it, with no charges ever filed or arrest being made. Couple people there were in military so didn't pursue.
5) Pulled over for 70 in a 55, given a warning. Other than the guy in front of me was doing 85, can't complain.
6) Someone stole farm property from my father. I knew the people owning field bordering their home, so I walked close and took pics of stolen property on their land and called in the sheriff. Property retrieved, first officer offered me a ride back to my car 1.5 miles away. Accepted, disclosed CCW. Told fine, no big deal, but 2nd officer would transport me as first needed to finish processing scene. Second officer jittery from the get-go, full pat down, made me real nervous. Put my gun and unloaded ammo in his trunk. Arriving at my car gave me riot act over CCW and out-of=state plate. Explained reciprocity, said I was happy to wait while he called to confirm. Continued to be belligerent with me, but refused to call it in to confirm. Officer finally relented, without ever calling in to confirm reciprocity. Retrieved my gun and ammo, but refused to give them to me as "I might reload it and shoot him before he could drive away". Really, he said that. So I told him to give me the ammo, lock the gun in my trunk, and drive away fast. So he locked my gun in my trunk, chucked my ammo in the dirt, and hit it out of there like a scared date.

Must note all but #2 and #3 were the same rural department where the officers are largely people who were bullies when I was in high school and stayed behind, because most people who could left the area for better opportunities. But I live in a large city now and the police have a bad reputation as the "good apples" appear to do little to root out or not support the bad apples.

Citizens can't treat every cop like the boogeyman. But good cops need to take an active stance against bad cops or they are also bad cops.
 
I have been a Police Officer for over 25 years. I have been shot at, hit by a car, assaulted, spit on etc etc. all for what? To get crapped on by people like you? Who died and made you so spectacular? You sir and the person that made the post about forcing a Police officer to shoot them are jackasses.

I'm surprised by the amount of negativity towards LE on this site....in my opinion the OP is a paranoid douchebag as are others with negative things to say about L.E. ....the VAST majority of L.E are doing a great job and if you've been pulled over that many times.....your doing something wrong.....

Have a nice day

BTW....I'm biased....retired L.E. :)
 
I'm surprised by the amount of negativity towards LE on this site....in my opinion the OP is a paranoid douchebag as are others with negative things to say about L.E. ....the VAST majority of L.E are doing a great job and if you've been pulled over that many times.....your doing something wrong.....

Have a nice day

BTW....I'm biased....retired L.E. :)
I am the OP. Your hatred of the civilians is a self fulfilling prophecy. Blindly believing that his brothers in arms are all "just doing their job" and all civilians are duchebags.

I never said anything negative about L.E and you didn't actually read the thread.

I'm not paranoid and your response proves it.
 
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