Help: every time I go to Kansas I get pulled over

[Punisher]

You are probably reading to much into it but

Of course it goes more than skin deep. I said so. Cops are the only humans who have pointed guns at me.

You must have skipped a bunch of posts so I'll repeat.

Son of a cop.
Never seen the inside of a station or cop car except from the outise looking in.
Never been arrested.
Only traffic infractions and more than one was a speed trap.
Travel a great deal of the country by car for work and play.
Travel internationally by car.
Complete boy scout.
Almost a nondrinker.
My federal paperwork is always in order.
I get health certificates for my dog and falcons prior to traveling interstate per recommendations.
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I didn't skip any posts.

As a leader of leaders, it is my responsibility to ensure the growth and development of all those around me.

This isn't attitude. And it isn't immasculating to seek professional help.

All of the reasons by which you listed to add legitimacy to your argument are in fact the underlying reason of your affliction.

Good luck

 

[Deleted member 46119]

LOL, yep your letter to the Governor put a quick stop to that!!! You definitely need a therapist just like the other member suggested!

I guess you missed that it was sarcasm.

If y'all are really taking this so serious you need a therapist.

I got the info I wanted long ago. I've driven another 5000+ miles outside of my home state with no visits from LEO.

 

[desertbull]

I am rapidly losing any respect at all for police. 90% of them are outstanding. The other 10% make you all look like ego driven d!cks.

If you don't like your job, quit and go find a different one.

I don't have to show you my ID
I don't have to answer any of your questions.
I don't have to tell you my name or my address.
If I broke a law, give me a ticket or arrest me. I will gladly pay the fine or do the time, If not, get the **** out of my way and leave me alone.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

I am rapidly losing any respect at all for police. 90% of them are outstanding. The other 10% make you all look like ego driven d!cks.

If you don't like your job, quit and go find a different one.

I don't have to show you my ID
I don't have to answer any of your questions.
I don't have to tell you my name or my address.
If I broke a law, give me a ticket or arrest me. I will gladly pay the fine or do the time, If not, get the **** out of my way and leave me alone.

Don't know where you came up with all those "don't have tos", but you're wrong and getting stopped with that attitude you will get arrested and face more than a ticket they may have stopped you for. Yes, there are some dicks in any profession and when anything happens nowadays like we're seeing it gets blown up way out of proportion to all the positive stuff that's going on. PS: I'm not a cop!

Fred Seaman stated:
"BTW: after posting here, emailing the KS governor and a few other public notices that it was happening, it stopped. Just coincidence I'm sure."

That was right out here in black & white and certainly didn't say "I should have" or something similar, so how can you say it was sarcasm? At this point in the thread you started you have lost any credibility and you certainly didn't have much right from the getgo as this thread continued (ie. 10 tickets on your record!). Just be a good boy wherever you go and you won't have to worry about getting your 11th ticket Mr. PICKED ON!!!
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[desertbull]

Don't know where you came up with all those "don't have tos", but you're wrong and getting stopped with that attitude you will get arrested and face more than a ticket they may have stopped you for. Yes, there are some dicks in any profession and when anything happens nowadays like we're seeing it gets blown up way out of proportion to all the positive stuff that's going on. PS: I'm not a cop!


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learn your rights. You do not have to speak to ANYONE unless you are being detained. And then you have the right to a lawyer being present before speaking. You do not even have to own an ID, let alone produce one for a cop.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

learn your rights. You do not have to speak to ANYONE unless you are being detained. And then you have the right to a lawyer being present before speaking. You do not even have to own an ID, let alone produce one for a cop.

You are right in your rights and right to stand up for your rights.

This thread is not about civil disobedience so lets take that somewhere else.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

(ie. 10 tickets on your record!). Just be a good boy wherever you go and you won't have to worry about getting your 11th ticket Mr. PICKED ON!!!
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You didn't read it properly. Possible you speed read and put in what you thought would be something to use to dump on the poster?

10 tickets life time..... 40 years of driving at an average of 50,000 miles per year.
There are no tickets on my record.

Get a grip and stop looking to turn this back on me.

 

[KYpatriot]

Desert bull is right. I don't have to produce papers just because a cop asks, but in 24 states there are laws that require you to identify yourself to a police officer if you are being detained ( a Terry stop). If you are not being detained ( being detained legally requires that the officer have articulable reasonable suspicion that you are guilty of a crime or about to commit a crime) then you are free to go. So ask if you are free to go. If the officer refuses to let you go then you are being detained, and therefore being investigated and under suspicion of a crime. He is looking for probable cause to arrest you. In states where you are required to identify yourself you should do so or you will be arrested. In the other states you may elect to remain silent. The officer may do a quick pat down for his safety ( Terry frisk) but the 4th amendment says you may not be extensively searched ( like your wallet or phone) unless you are under arrest, which again a legal arrest requires articulable probable cause, not just suspicion.

The problem is many cops refuse to acknowledge these rights because they want to "win." They see a citizen exercising his rights as a personal insult and disrespectful. They will accuse you of having attitude and sometimes verbally threaten you in an attempt to intimidate you into not exercising your rights. They are legally allowed to lie to you in an attempt to trick you into giving up your rights, which is morally wrong. These people should not be in law enforcement, and we all know who they are, and what is worse the good cops know who they are and do nothing, which makes me wonder how many good cops there really are.

Some of these guys were never right for LE, and others were ok but after years of dealing with low lifes and seeing Constitutional rights being used by criminals to beat the system they start to view those rights as their enemy, something they must end run to do their job. They have lost perspective and forgot their primary purpose...to uphold the Constitution. We are going to have more crime if we have more freedom-that is the price of freedom. Almost every anti crime measure reduces our freedom. If you want less crime and believe our freedoms hinder cops, move to Saudi Arabia, very little crime there, you can experience a police state and see how you like it.

As citizens, we must never criticize the police for crime rates. That is a society/moral problem. Cops must enforce the law within the limits of the Constitution if we are to remain free. That means as our society continues it's moral degradation that crime is going to increase. Proper law enforcement does not change because of that.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

So far every poster who has attempted to turn this around to be some kind of problem I have has failed to read the thread thoroughly and completely.

Please stop being negative, I really was looking for ideas not complaining. Well, a little bit of complaining. I don't need therapy. Being afraid of the only type of people who have threatened your life does not require therapy. Having them stop would be good enough.

10 tickets lifetime including 3 speed traps, 2 in the same year. 2 millions miles of driving. That's 1 ticket every 200,000 miles. Can you do better than that?

The speed traps were Kansas and Arizona and Texas. Arizona was the now discredited speed cameras that were miss adjusted. An Australian company made bank on it. Texas was what we would all expect for a speed trap. LEO screaming to pull over the rental car with out of state plates, claims of speed clocked on radar 20 miles per hour in excess of the speed limit, instructions to make the check out to the Judge, not to the clerk of the county. When I called the county to get clarification on who to make the check to and the radar maintenance records, the clerk of the county said they don't have radar. Never paid it, never received any mail notifications of the citation from the county, never got "points" on my record to the state of California and lastly, if it had been real it would have showed up on wants and warrants when I get pulled over in Kansas.

When I Kansas is what I wanted to discuss not civil disobedience or hatred of cops. Just ways to deal with it or make it stop.

I got what I was looking for but touched a sore spot for many and gave some weapons of negativity when they misread the posts.

So we can stop now.....

 

[Topgun 30-06]

You didn't read it properly. Possible you speed read and put in what you thought would be something to use to dump on the poster?

10 tickets life time..... 40 years of driving at an average of 50,000 miles per year.
There are no tickets on my record.

Get a grip and stop looking to turn this back on me.

BS! I'm not a speed reader and I read every word in this thread. You started this thread to complain about being picked on and are now blaming everything on us for making it negative. That is about the way a good percentage of our population is nowadays where it's always someone else's fault for whatever is being discussed! Your tickets might not be on the books now, but you stated your "LIFE" record since you started driving is 10 tickets! That is not good and I drove over 36,000 miles a year on average on my job for 30+ years and never was even stopped in all those years, so yea to answer your question, I have done one Heck of a lot better than that! You are not the saint you seem to think you are Mr. Church goer, LOL!

Also, for you guys saying you don't even have to identify yourself, at least in a traffic stop that's the subject of this thread, you're absolutely wrong in all 50 states. What in the heck do you think they ask for when they stop you? They ask for a drivers license and that is your ID to show that you can legally be on the road. Don't produce it and you are in deep dodo!! You may or may not have to answer certain questions, but try to get away with them not being able to make a positive identification with a picture ID of you and see what happens! It's amazing how many "Pennsylvania Lawyers" are out there that start spouting off and don't know 1/2 of what they think they do!

 

[KYpatriot]

Top gun if you or someone you love in your family is ever grossly mistreated by law enforcement WITHOUT CAUSE as has happened to my family and others, then I assure you that your rose colored glasses regarding LE will come off. It is literally a life changing event. Flat out lies, intimidation under the color of law, evidence fabrication, constant harassment it can and does happen. It is easy to say, " well endure it and get a lawyer" but what many don't understand is that once you are perceived as a threat to someone's career in LE then it literally becomes a race to destroy your life or finances before you can damage them. They hold all the cards, and your presumption of innocence goes out the window and once they start fabricating evidence and covering for each other you are in deep )$$) in a hurry. Of course...drop your lawsuit and all those charges go away...
If you don't think this doesn't happen to completely innocent people just because one single cop gets the ball rolling because he felt disrespected then you are naive. It happens more than you think and it's why every department out there will resist body cameras and why they confiscate cell phones from bystanders and erase them, intimidate people to prevent filming in public, etc. It prevents them from playing this game and for the guys who never should gave been cops to begin with it makes the job no fun anymore.

A good man of integrity must hate being a cop these days, both because he gets lumped in with the bad cops and because he constantly has to survive in departments with these cops. My guess is the good men in LE are literally counting the days until retirement. Which just makes the problem worse, because as LE continues to lose public respect it will make it that much harder to get good men to do it.

It's only gonna get worse from here. How'd you like to be a cop in Connecticut, and get asked to raid the house of an otherwise law abiding guy because he didn't register his AR? Or a guy with a 30 rd mag in CO? Or a guy in WA state who let his brother use his rifle on a hunt? As the law in this country gets further and further from the Constitution it will be impossible to both be a good man and enforce the same. A time for choosing is coming, and soon a cop will be forced to choose between what should be a noble livelihood to support his family and whether liberty lives in this land. Let's not put them in this position, and do our jobs as educated citizens to or event it from getting to that point. They are the last line of defense...we should be the first. That will keep us all on the same side and prevent a lot of heartache in this land.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Top gun if you or someone you love in your family is ever grossly mistreated by law enforcement WITHOUT CAUSE as has happened to my family and others, then I assure you that your rose colored glasses regarding LE will come off. It is literally a life changing event. Flat out lies, intimidation under the color of law, evidence fabrication, constant harassment it can and does happen. It is easy to say, " well endure it and get a lawyer" but what many don't understand is that once you are perceived as a threat to someone's career in LE then it literally becomes a race to destroy your life or finances before you can damage them. They hold all the cards, and your presumption of innocence goes out the window and once they start fabricating evidence and covering for each other you are in deep )$$) in a hurry. Of course...drop your lawsuit and all those charges go away...
If you don't think this doesn't happen to completely innocent people just because one single cop gets the ball rolling because he felt disrespected then you are naive. It happens more than you think and it's why every department out there will resist body cameras and why they confiscate cell phones from bystanders and erase them, intimidate people to prevent filming in public, etc. It prevents them from playing this game and for the guys who never should gave been cops to begin with it makes the job no fun anymore.

A good man of integrity must hate being a cop these days, both because he gets lumped in with the bad cops and because he constantly has to survive in departments with these cops. My guess is the good men in LE are literally counting the days until retirement. Which just makes the problem worse, because as LE continues to lose public respect it will make it that much harder to get good men to do it.

It's only gonna get worse from here. How'd you like to be a cop in Connecticut, and get asked to raid the house of an otherwise law abiding guy because he didn't register his AR? Or a guy with a 30 rd mag in CO? Or a guy in WA state who let his brother use his rifle on a hunt? As the law in this country gets further and further from the Constitution it will be impossible to both be a good man and enforce the same. A time for choosing is coming, and soon a cop will be forced to choose between what should be a noble livelihood to support his family and whether liberty lives in this land. Let's not put them in this position, and do our jobs as educated citizens to or event it from getting to that point. They are the last line of defense...we should be the first. That will keep us all on the same side and prevent a lot of heartache in this land.

I agree with some of what you stated, but I don't believe we are in the toilet nearly as bad as you feel we are. Yes, we have problems that need fixing and, yes, there are lousy cops in their profession just like people in others. The big picture in our country is the complete disrespect our younger generation has for authority of any type whether it be cops, teachers, parents or whatever. I was in a LE type of job with the state of MI for over 30 years and we had good, bad, and average people in my job just like everywhere else and unions don't help the matter when bad ones get hired and should be fired and the union backs them. That, however, is a whole different thread we could discuss for many days. I live in a small town and knew all the people in law enforcement, including the top cop and county Prosecutor. Back in the 70s and early 80s when my stepson got in trouble and was arrested a couple times I could probably have gotten him out of trouble with the position I held and people I knew. However, one night he called from jail one Saturday night to ask me to bail him out and I told him I'd be down at the courthouse on Monday afternoon and see if he had learned a lesson. He ended up sleeping on the cold floor in a cell because all the bunks were full and when Monday came he had seen the light and he's now 48 and has been and upstanding citizen since then with nary a problem.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

BS!...

You are a very unhappy person..

 

[Topgun 30-06]

You are a very unhappy person..

I'm as happy as can be, but do tell it like it is and you, Sir, have been diagnosed with a real bad case of LE paranoia. Get a life and get help!