Flagstaff AZ human caused, again.

Burns don't kill off wildlife, not on any kind of scale. They escape fires and then benefit from the burn for the next few years. The terrain improvements for wildlife are strong. Even the natives here used controlled burns going back thousands of years. Makes better habit than anything man could create intentionally.
You have not seen how wildfires have completely changed the landscape of unit 7W. Some areas are a wasteland still from fires a decade ago. We don't get the moisture needed to regrow. Huge tracts are nearly void of any wildlife now, that used to be PRIME deer, elk, and turkey habitat. And believe me, the areas that were unaffected do not miraculously contain all the game that was displaced.
 
You have not seen how wildfires have completely changed the landscape of unit 7W. Some areas are a wasteland still from fires a decade ago. We don't get the moisture needed to regrow. Huge tracts are nearly void of any wildlife now, that used to be PRIME deer, elk, and turkey habitat. And believe me, the areas that were unaffected do not miraculously contain all the game that was displaced.
I've clearly never seen area 7W in my life, and I don't know all that much about Arizona. What I do know is that a century of biological study is very clear about the fact that wildfires don't cause population level effects on wildlife. And (typically) the re-growth is significantly better than what was there before the burn. Of course, good areas go bad and bad areas become great all the time, all over the country, with or without a fire, or the intervention of man. I've seen game abandon areas en masse with no fires. We've got areas where I live that used to contain 100 deer per square mile, and now there are probably 10. The flipside is that there are areas that used be hold 10, and now they hold 100. Nature is never static. Those animals went somewhere. I won't say that fires don't kill animals, but they don't eliminate populations.
 
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This is a rock outcropping I call "The Kissing Couple". 22 years ago, this mountain was completely covered by Ponderosa Pine and Aspen, holding a fantastic amount of mule deer and big elk. Then the Pumpkin Fire happened in 2000, burning 14,750 acres (23 sq mi), which doesn'teven break the top 25 largest fires in AZ. No joke, I have hunted 7W for 36 years, and could find game in there every single day I hiked or glassed it. After that fire, I have not seen a single elk or deer in the area in 22 years.

Fires might not have killed the game, but it sure killed the habitat that holds the game.
 
Burns don't kill off wildlife, not on any kind of scale. They escape fires and then benefit from the burn for the next few years. The terrain improvements for wildlife are strong. Even the natives here used controlled burns going back thousands of years. Makes better habit than anything man could create intentionally.
I dont know anything about wildfires in your area. In the West, Idaho, Wa, Oregon, Mont. Wyoming wildfires kill all kinds of wildlife directly and indirectly with an immediate impact that often takes years if ever they recover. Please send your types of wildfires to the west as those would be a blessing.
 
So, Coconino County Sherriffs office arrested a 55 y.o. Oregon man for attempting to burn his used toilet paper, while in windy dry conditions. Realizing he just started what is now a massive forest fire he takes off in his truck, leaves the mess but witnesses point him out to the CCSO as the suspect.
Can people just get any dumber?
I hope this idiot pays for the fire for the rest of his miserable life.
Another fire just ignited is only 5 miles away. No cause assigned but probably human caused since monsoon storms and lightning are not widespread up north. Flagstaff and hunt unit 7 is in immediate danger now.
Morons...
Yep, happens often. I think the last one of city dwelling hikers burning their butt wipe starting a huge wildfire was about 10-12 years ago. They openly admitted what they did as if it was ok.
 
I dont know anything about wildfires in your area. In the West, Idaho, Wa, Oregon, Mont. Wyoming wildfires kill all kinds of wildlife directly and indirectly with an immediate impact that often takes years if ever they recover. Please send your types of wildfires to the west as those would be a blessing.
I'm clearly not a biologist, and maybe you are, but these fires have been studied for a century or more, and I'll stand by what I said.

Here is an article from Texas A&M explaining what I am trying so poorly to say. It just doesn't do what you think it does. Sure, they change the landscapes, but they don't wipe out critters. At least that is the concensus among the people who study critters for a living.

 
All the Pacific Northwest states suffer from this mismanagement. An Oregonian should know better since we've had large fires every year.
Unfortnately...not every Oregonian uses the woods wisely...there are still plenty of idiots that are city dwellers that live by street lights..seldom seeing the sun or the moon.......
 
The example of 7W is an exception, not the norm. There are thousands of fires across the west every year and the vast majority reset the habitat and are game magnets. Look at all the hunting videos filmed in burn scars.
If a fire pushes through fast, you are correct. It appears to kill everything, but the roots and cores are spared, and will regrow, sometimes as fast as a year later seeing new growth.
But when a fire burns hot and long enough that it burn the roots right out of the ground killing and devouring every source of fuel there is and leaves a "scorched earth", it takes decades or longer to come back in certain areas. 7W has gotten devastated in the past 20 years with several huge total engulfing fires (Schults Fire 2010 15k+ acres and Elden Fire and Radio Fire 1977 that still hasn't grown back). It is not the same landscape as 20 years ago. And will probably not recover in my lifetime. There are a lot of other areas in AZ that have had similar widespread wasteland type burns.

Not just pine forests either. Huge saguaro desert burns like we had last year (Bush Fire @ 193k+ acres) will never recover in a hundred years or more. Sure, the grasses and desert trees and bushed will, but the saguaros are probably gone for centuries if not forever.
 
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MONROE, La. (KNOE) - A West Monroe man is suspected to be responsible for a massive 5,000-acre wildfire burning in Arizona. A Coconino County Sheriff's deputy stopped Matthew Riser, 57, shortly after the fire was spotted by a fire lookout on Sunday, June 12, 2022, around 10:15 a.m., according to arrest documents.
 
If a fire pushes through fast, you are correct. It appears to kill everything, but the roots and cores are spared, and will regrow, sometimes as fast as a year later seeing new growth.
But when a fire burns hot and long enough that it burn the roots right out of the ground killing and devouring every source of fuel there is and leaves a "scorched earth", it takes decades or longer to come back in certain areas. 7W has gotten devastated in the past 20 years with several huge total engulfing fires (Schults Fire 2010 15k+ acres and Elden Fire and Radio Fire 1977 that still hasn't grown back). It is not the same landscape as 20 years ago. And will probably not recover in my lifetime. There are a lot of other areas in AZ that have had similar widespread wasteland type burns.

Not just pine forests either. Huge saguaro desert burns like we had last year (Bush Fire @ 193k+ acres) will never recover in a hundred years or more. Sure, the grasses and desert trees and bushed will, but the saguaros are probably gone for centuries if not forever.
As a firefighter I understand the dynamics of fire. Like I said, thats the exception, or at least the vast minority. I have two five-digit acre wildfires within 20 miles of my house that hold great wildlife a few years later. My go to elk spot where we can get into elk every day is a burn scar. Fire in general is a net benefit to wildlife.
 
@Hecouldgoalltheway this is not directed at you. Book smarts seldom equates to life smarts when it comes to ranching and livestock management.
Give me a third gen rancher and his knowledge any day over a book educated college prof needing a publication to keep his certificate.

In 94 the Tyee burned 135k acres across some of the best mule deer habitat in wa. 14 Carlton burned 256k acres and burned 160k in one day. Again the other best mule deer habitat and it has not recovered to this day. There are many of 20-60k almost every year.

Does anyone still think the bookies are correct wildfire just displaced those deer elk bear moose sheep and goats?
 
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