Yes, encourage, NOT push. One of the things I like about CEB is that @Samantha-CEB is here to field questions/concerns, but CEB lets their product speak for themselves - no pressure on sales.
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Bullet Construction vs Lethality
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xsn10s
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Yup she does a great job.
I'm testing the 190 Atips today in my 7x300 win mag. Hoping to break the 1200 yd barrier on a whitetail on my farm in SC this season. I've been stuck at 1102 yds for several years now. Good luck on your hunt!Im big berger fan but been really enjoying the a tips 230-250 grains havent played with the others much. But killed several elk with the 230's from 300 too 1200 and all been dead one shot. Stupid accurate. I leave Friday to moose hunt in alaska ill report back on how 250's do im hoping for 1000+ shot but if hes close ill take it I suppose
Side note i musta missed some drama lol.
I wish success for everyone and applaud all who actually invest themselves in the shooting tradition. I think it's those who have presented their own comprehensive unbiased documented work, have demonstrated their skills in real life, and who have related their experiential knowledge and practical sense in a humble way - not to advance themselves or impress others with their knowledge, nor by demeaning others or to undermine products or enthusiam, but to benefit the sport in general. If they can refrain from taking emotional sides and posting cheap shots, or "cheering" others' cheap posts, they will generally have respect. We can lift those "former posters" up and point out how they've been chased off, while engaging in aggressive, demeaning, juvenile behavior ourselves. Human nature is naturally blind to its self-expression. If someone likes Badlands, Berger, or Hammer, why call them a cult? Have we ever considered that our reaction to what others are excited about might reflect the same in us? Share their excitement for the sport and let the emotional stuff lay. All this bickering only feeds itself. We show our strength by lifting others up, not by putting others down.
Your post defines the "perfect" bullet to a tee - the one that every bullet manufacturer has been trying to invent forever. When you write "any impact angle ... up to 1000 yds" and expect penetration as well as adequate expansion, you are in a performance realm not yet realized by any bullet 100% of the time - at least none of which I am aware. BUT, what you also seem to be implying is that:
1. The hunter knows the anatomy of their game and how the angle of the animal effects the aiming point and ...
2. That the hunter can hit where he or she aims.
And therein lies the answer to your question. Most popular premium bullets these days, although NOT perfect, will still kill game with reasonable lethality if the hunter does his/her part. But too many hunters don't fulfill those two criteria that I just mentioned ... then they blame their bullet.
I was a taxidermist for many years and saw hundreds of dead game animals, including some that were cleanly killed with a relatively small caliber, well-placed bullet (the largest bull elk I ever mounted dropped in its tracks after being shot through the heart with a Barnes .243 caliber bullet), and those that had been riddled with poorly placed large calibers (like, a smallish black bear that took five around-the-edges shots to succumb to a .300 Win.). The bullet can only be as "perfect" as the person who pulls the trigger. I will now leave the healthy discussion about "favorite" bullets for the rest of you guys.
1. The hunter knows the anatomy of their game and how the angle of the animal effects the aiming point and ...
2. That the hunter can hit where he or she aims.
And therein lies the answer to your question. Most popular premium bullets these days, although NOT perfect, will still kill game with reasonable lethality if the hunter does his/her part. But too many hunters don't fulfill those two criteria that I just mentioned ... then they blame their bullet.
I was a taxidermist for many years and saw hundreds of dead game animals, including some that were cleanly killed with a relatively small caliber, well-placed bullet (the largest bull elk I ever mounted dropped in its tracks after being shot through the heart with a Barnes .243 caliber bullet), and those that had been riddled with poorly placed large calibers (like, a smallish black bear that took five around-the-edges shots to succumb to a .300 Win.). The bullet can only be as "perfect" as the person who pulls the trigger. I will now leave the healthy discussion about "favorite" bullets for the rest of you guys.
I video taped my friend killing a doe at 1065 yds shooting a 7mag/162 gr Amax. It's his old camera and he's trying to edit a short clip to reduce the file size to post.
diggdugg70
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Yep
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diggdugg70
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Especially when it comes to testing hammers and the poor results get posted, the cult goes into attack mode.
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Rinse and repeat is right, y'all are so predictable it ain't even funny, Dude's got 28 posts and your patting him on the back like you're best buds, it don't take a white coat and a slide rule to figure that out
Considering 90% of your existence on this forum so far has been to poke at other members in this thread while providing nothing of substance to the community at large I'm not really sure you have much of a leg to stand on.
So far the only thing you've really said here is that you're stuck using monos in CA and have a fascination with disliking the cult of hammer bullets. So did you create an account to actually provide anything of substance to the members here or did you just join because you don't like hammer bullets and wanted to tell everyone?
