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Bullet Construction vs Lethality
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Calvin45
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Correct. I've participated in it too much now and feel I may have contributed to something not entirely beneficial for anyone. I'll try to stick to my write ups on hex boron nitride, asking SINCERE questions in hopes of learning, and sharing my own findings.
Think I'm gonna go ahead and unwatch this thread now, and sorry to anyone that I may have riled up participating in a pointless fruitless conversation. I think @bultinkle here is right.
Hah! That exercise could help prep the skin above the eyebrows for the inevitable scope cut. Help keep a guy out of the half-moon club.
I thought the reason to use monos was "less blood shot meat". Being snotty - but ask yourself honestly if a lead core bullet would have done similar wounding at a lower velocity/energy or more at same velocity/energy. Monos are harder bullets period. And yes I have used hammers if that is angle. My son just shot a pig with 117 hammer out of 270 not long ago for ex
Any case, there is a reason "monos like to be driven fast". You are trying to increase energy transfer (see my earlier post) since they don't normally have as large a frontal area. So where impact velocity is down a lead core design MAY have an advantage in some scenario. The less surface area combined with high retained weight will normally mean more penetration with mono all else being equal so a mono MAY have an advantage in some scenarios. Apparently whichever scenario folks dream up as their worst case causes people to pout and call each other names on the internet
For the record, I have seen plenty of monstrous wounds on animals. What a 150/165 soft point out of a 300 wby can do to a deer is shameful. Here is pronghorn shot with 270/130/vld at about 250 yards few years ago. It normally but but not always involves high velocity and low sectional density. In the case of my pronghorn the bullet design is a fragger (berger) and seemed to rupture late which makes me somewhat leary of otms like bergers but to be fair I have shot a lot of game with them and worked great.
Lou
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Good and fair points made.I thought the reason to use monos was "less blood shot meat". Being snotty - but ask yourself honestly if a lead core bullet would have done similar wounding at a lower velocity/energy or more at same velocity/energy. Monos are harder bullets period. And yes I have used hammers if that is angle. My son just shot a pig with 117 hammer out of 270 not long ago for ex
Any case, there is a reason "monos like to be driven fast". You are trying to increase energy transfer (see my earlier post) since they don't normally have as large a frontal area. So where impact velocity is down a lead core design MAY have an advantage in some scenario. The less surface area combined with high retained weight will normally mean more penetration with mono all else being equal so a mono MAY have an advantage in some scenarios. Apparently whichever scenario folks dream up as their worst case causes people to pout and call each other names on the internet
For the record, I have seen plenty of monstrous wounds on animals. What a 150/165 soft point out of a 300 wby can do to a deer is shameful. Here is pronghorn shot with 270/130/vld at about 250 yards few years ago. It normally but but not always involves high velocity and low sectional density. In the case of my pronghorn the bullet design is a fragger (berger) and seemed to rupture late which makes me somewhat leary of otms like bergers but to be fair I have shot a lot of game with them and worked great.
Lou
Man, I need to work on my memes.
RichCoyle
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Could you elaborate, please?
Id call that photo an example of fantastic bullet performance. If you want to save meat just move off the shoulder.I thought the reason to use monos was "less blood shot meat". Being snotty - but ask yourself honestly if a lead core bullet would have done similar wounding at a lower velocity/energy or more at same velocity/energy. Monos are harder bullets period. And yes I have used hammers if that is angle. My son just shot a pig with 117 hammer out of 270 not long ago for ex
Any case, there is a reason "monos like to be driven fast". You are trying to increase energy transfer (see my earlier post) since they don't normally have as large a frontal area. So where impact velocity is down a lead core design MAY have an advantage in some scenario. The less surface area combined with high retained weight will normally mean more penetration with mono all else being equal so a mono MAY have an advantage in some scenarios. Apparently whichever scenario folks dream up as their worst case causes people to pout and call each other names on the internet
For the record, I have seen plenty of monstrous wounds on animals. What a 150/165 soft point out of a 300 wby can do to a deer is shameful. Here is pronghorn shot with 270/130/vld at about 250 yards few years ago. It normally but but not always involves high velocity and low sectional density. In the case of my pronghorn the bullet design is a fragger (berger) and seemed to rupture late which makes me somewhat leary of otms like bergers but to be fair I have shot a lot of game with them and worked great.
Lou
who made the bullet or it's intended purpose matters little if the end result is like that one.
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Wyo37
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My statement is what it is. There is nothing to elaborate.
Hand Skills
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Actual field data? I think you and @fordy might be in the wrong thread...
(Please pardon the sarcasm - I appreciate your contributions greatly)
Calvin45
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Okay fair, and I agree 100 percent that monos do require more velocity to facilitate dramatic disruption and broad wounding. I didn't think that was in question.I thought the reason to use monos was "less blood shot meat". Being snotty - but ask yourself honestly if a lead core bullet would have done similar wounding at a lower velocity/energy or more at same velocity/energy. Monos are harder bullets period. And yes I have used hammers if that is angle. My son just shot a pig with 117 hammer out of 270 not long ago for ex
Any case, there is a reason "monos like to be driven fast". You are trying to increase energy transfer (see my earlier post) since they don't normally have as large a frontal area. So where impact velocity is down a lead core design MAY have an advantage in some scenario. The less surface area combined with high retained weight will normally mean more penetration with mono all else being equal so a mono MAY have an advantage in some scenarios. Apparently whichever scenario folks dream up as their worst case causes people to pout and call each other names on the internet
For the record, I have seen plenty of monstrous wounds on animals. What a 150/165 soft point out of a 300 wby can do to a deer is shameful. Here is pronghorn shot with 270/130/vld at about 250 yards few years ago. It normally but but not always involves high velocity and low sectional density. In the case of my pronghorn the bullet design is a fragger (berger) and seemed to rupture late which makes me somewhat leary of otms like bergers but to be fair I have shot a lot of game with them and worked great.
Lou
Not at all implying or saying you have an angle of any kind, I've appreciated your contributions to our forum. I just loathe oversimplifications that say things like "monos cause pencil wounds" and "lead bullets blow up and aren't as reliable". People on both sides of the fence including manufacturers (think of the Barnes/Berger feud about a decade ago haha) make such generalizations. I don't think you have. And my picture was simply to show that monos can affect wounding every bit as broad as any lead load, not that they are superior (though at that velocity they really are, even as I'll totally agree that on impacts below 2600 fps I'll take a lead core every single time for superior performance).
Okay I'm ACTUALLY gonna butt out of this thread now
I have shot nothing like the number of animals somebody like fordy can so not claiming to be any expert
Have long had an interest in terminal ballistics so study the topic to understand the physics as well as try a bunch of different stuff with what I hope is an open mind to see how it actually works. Can shoot pigs year round on my place so provide a nice and fun realistic testing medium beyond the normal fall hunting seasons. I am now trying to shoot some with an open sighted 30-30 which my middle aged eyes are not cooperating…
Lou
