Bullet Construction vs Lethality

[CMP70306]

I'd say it qualifies lol.

Check these videos out though, since you mentioned it.

I've been meaning to work up a long range load with the XLD bullets from Arrowhead in my 45-70 Sharps. I shot a few of them and was getting around 2300 fps but never really got a chance to iron out a good load and shoot them at range when they cost $2 a piece.

https://arrowheadrifles.com/product/307xld/

They do however do a number on 5 gallon water jugs, lots of splash but did not penetrate to the back so they are definitely a bit fragile. Probably good for deer but that is why I skipped them and went with the 405 Hammer for my bison hunt even though the speed and BC would have given me a much longer effective range. Can't kill it if the bullet explodes in the first several inches of hide, fat and ribs.

 

[Teri Anne]

I'm starting this thread to discuss issues regarding the materials, design and construction of rifle hunting bullets in so far as it relates to lethality, which, for the purposes of the thread, will be defined as the ability of the bullet to penetrate deeply at any impact angle or distance up to 1000 yds to reach vital organs and effect a one shot kill rapidly. Factors to consider are BC, ductility of bullet material, caliber, muzzle velocity, accuracy (<1MOA), weight retention, type of expansion ( petal vs mushrooming vs explosive vs petal shedding).

We are able to discuss virtually anything here, including pipe dreams, or maybe it's a thought that was brought about by smoking some silly stuff in that pipe. I don't see this being an actual topic for discussion. If this was possible then the big manufacturers would have done it years ago. It falls into the category of radar guided bullets where all you have to do is point your firearm in the general direction of the target and it will guide itself to a perfect shot. Dream on.

 

[CMP70306]

My Rolling Block 45-70 has taken many woodchuck and gallon milk jugs at 400 yards with cast bullets. Is that long range for a vernier tang peep sight?

I shot my Sharps once out to 600 yards on a 12" gong, definitely needed a coat of orange paint because I had a heck of a time picking it out of the hillside. I did manage to hit it once but I'd say it was more luck than anything because I was all over the place.

I always wonder how accurate that rifle would be if I actually put a scope on it.

 

[HARPERC]

Look out people. PETA is now equipping animals with ballistic vests.

We know (those that have seen it) under the right conditions, bullets sometimes don't get as far as a target. Some that do may not be in good shape from their trip down, a tight, rough bore. We also know bullet tolerances may not be the same lot to lot. It's also likely material in those bullets may not be standardized, and some manufacturing techniques work harden material inconsistently.

The assumption that we can have "fast barrels", and "slow barrels", but get a BC that works in all firearms escapes me.

So far only one manufacturer has been receptive to talking material, showing me their rejected material pile, and showing me their process of making bullets.

I guess that makes me a cult member-I hope there is coffee cake to go with our kool-aid at the next meeting.

Stuff happens. Grandma didn't believe until she got run over by a reindeer.

 

[Petey308]

The assumption that we can have "fast barrels", and "slow barrels", but get a BC that works in all firearms escapes me.

The picture shared from Applied Ballistics shows us how the twist rate, and thus SG, affects the BC of the bullet it's showcasing.

Bryan has also published how condition of rifling affects BC too. Here's an excerpt of some of that:

As he states, the differences are typically less than other variables affecting point of impact.

Like always, take it for whatever it's worth to you.

 

[Snowboy]

I've been meaning to work up a long range load with the XLD bullets from Arrowhead in my 45-70 Sharps. I shot a few of them and was getting around 2300 fps but never really got a chance to iron out a good load and shoot them at range when they cost $2 a piece.

https://arrowheadrifles.com/product/307xld/

They do however do a number on 5 gallon water jugs, lots of splash but did not penetrate to the back so they are definitely a bit fragile. Probably good for deer but that is why I skipped them and went with the 405 Hammer for my bison hunt even though the speed and BC would have given me a much longer effective range. Can't kill it if the bullet explodes in the first several inches of hide, fat and ribs.

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I just like shooting things like rocks and various jugs, cans etc. at 400 yards. Old eyes don't work good after that.

 

[nralifer]

We are able to discuss virtually anything here, including pipe dreams, or maybe it's a thought that was brought about by smoking some silly stuff in that pipe. I don't see this being an actual topic for discussion. If this was possible then the big manufacturers would have done it years ago. It falls into the category of radar guided bullets where all you have to do is point your firearm in the general direction of the target and it will guide itself to a perfect shot. Dream on.

It's clear you don't see the relationship between bullet construction and performance, especially hunting bullets. You seem unwilling to lear anything from this thread. Please don't waste the time of other forum members by diluting their posts and contributions with your vacuous empty diatribe.

 

[ButterBean]

It's clear you don't see the relationship between bullet construction and performance, especially hunting bullets. You seem unwilling to lear anything from this thread. Please don't waste the time of other forum members by diluting their posts and contributions with your vacuous empty diatribe.

She knows way more than you think, no offense intended but she is a wealth of knowledge and I feel sure we could all learn a thing or two from her

 

[bultinkle]

yikes

 

[xsn10s]

The guy who was standing there looking at it.

Like I said memory studies have shown that we don't always recall things accurately. Since the game is long gone we'll never know.

 

[Rich Coyle]

How long has it been since you read the study? Maybe you don't remember.

 

[2 the Plug]

It's clear you don't see the relationship between bullet construction and performance, especially hunting bullets. You seem unwilling to lear anything from this thread. Please don't waste the time of other forum members by diluting their posts and contributions with your vacuous empty diatribe.

Did you even reply to any of my tungsten questions or just leave it up to 308? You don't seem to be wanting to discuss bullet constructions you limit yourself to what you have or can make currently. And you are the OP

 

[xsn10s]

How long has it been since you read the study? Maybe you don't remember.

Well it was back when I worked with training police officers so that was 26 years ago. But it's a simple google search Rich. You should try it.

 

[cohunt]

We are able to discuss virtually anything here, including pipe dreams, or maybe it's a thought that was brought about by smoking some silly stuff in that pipe. I don't see this being an actual topic for discussion. If this was possible then the big manufacturers would have done it years ago. It falls into the category of radar guided bullets where all you have to do is point your firearm in the general direction of the target and it will guide itself to a perfect shot. Dream on.

Maybe you should look up "tracking point firearms" -- not radar, but it's been available since 2011.not really a pipe dream if you have enough money