Arizona ban on trail cams

[jls in az]

That's why I said "sticking one" rather than "taking one." Some will shoot over a dozen elk in a season and recover none.

 

[MZmoose]

MZmoose: AZ is a great state to hunt in. The misuse of trail cams only occurs in about 4 of our 50+ hunt units

Well that's terrible. That's a government agency using a broad sword on the whole state for a problem in a small area. Maybe they should limit the ban to the problem area or find a way to deal with the actual problem.

 

[JAYgs8163]

Option 1 and 2 voted on. Option 1 passes unanimously.

 

[LVJ76]

My understanding is that they are banned year round, is this correct?

 

[JAYgs8163]

My understanding is that they are banned year round, is this correct?

Yes, that's correct. I agree with the ban after listening to the AZGFD wildlife biologists and the scientific data they presented. The thinking about what's fair chase and how we've pushed the limits with Optics, range finders, better rifles, mapping programs, Ballistic apps, radios and phones in the field, etc…. Then I read the Fair Chase Statements of the Boone and Crocket and Pope and Young clubs and I must say I now believe in the full ban. It's not as the Elk, deer, and other critters are getting any faster, invisible, or have any improvements in their ability to escape detection, if anything at all it's gotten way worse for them. There's got to be a end point to the technical assistance we get. Anyways I'm sure there will be some that oppose my view and I'm fine with that also.

 

[LVJ76]

Thanks.

I'm definitely ok with it, I dont use them. Hopefully will help get those crappy outfitters in check and make it fair for everyone out there.

 

[jdavistx]

Interesting. Was thinking about states like Texas where game feeders are the norm and using cameras to see what bucks are coming to the feeders is common. In texas it's almost like a game management plan for private land where they cull deer etc. Also, seems like came cameras would be almost mandatory for keeping track of wild pigs etc.
I guess the last thing you need on the Arizona strip is a bunch of deer feeders and cell phone wire game cameras though...

Having lived and hunted in Texas for 25 years it's completely different than Arizona. An over the counter hunting license in TX gets you 5 deer tags. It is about game management on both public and private land, managed county by county. Feeders help keep the herd healthy. Some hunt for trophies, some hunt for meat.

 

[jls in az]

It's a move in the right direction. What we need is a professional outfitters/guides association to set standards and monitor guides in the state. Right now, there is no such animal so there are no established standards for the outfitters and guides to follow.

 

[Rflshootr]

I've got mixed emotions.....on one hand I can see it....on the other, if a hunter pays for a license and factors in the cost of the hunt, including all of the equipment, ammo, guide fees and whatever else, and if he stays within the bag limit that the state themselves set, then I don't see a problem with using whatever advantage he can to take the game animal that he paid for under state guidelines. After all, who wants to spend a billfold of money and then hunt where the game they are after isn't present in that area? After all, is there anyone who doesn't want to have a successful hunt?

 

[jdavistx]

I've got mixed emotions.....on one hand I can see it....on the other, if a hunter pays for a license and factors in the cost of the hunt, including all of the equipment, ammo, guide fees and whatever else, and if he stays within the bag limit that the state themselves set, then I don't see a problem with using whatever advantage he can to take the game animal that he paid for under state guidelines. After all, who wants to spend a billfold of money and then hunt where the game they are after isn't present in that area? After all, is there anyone who doesn't want to have a successful hunt?

I don't have a position on what to use on a hunt, how to scout, etc... I do believe that if kills go up, tags the following year will go down, along with other factors. It's all part of the AZGF management process. And yes, I used cellular game cameras for years on a 700 acre lease in Texas. We went for a trophy early in the season and then culled for meat later on. Different situation as to game availability. They also work great monitoring a camp. We busted a guy trying to steal our stuff while we were out hunting. Called the sheriff while he was still there. Just my 2 cents.

 

[JAYgs8163]

I don't have a position on what to use on a hunt, how to scout, etc... I do believe that if kills go up, tags the following year will go down, along with other factors. It's all part of the AZGF management process. And yes, I used cellular game cameras for years on a 700 acre lease in Texas. We went for a trophy early in the season and then culled for meat later on. Different situation as to game availability. They also work great monitoring a camp. We busted a guy trying to steal our stuff while we were out hunting. Called the sheriff while he was still there. Just my 2 cents.

You can use them for monitoring your camp. You can't use them to assist in the taking of wildlife. You can probably use cell cams to monitor your camp still I imagine. I would have been Okay with limited use and non-cell cams, use during the off season and not on water holes. Yes and Az is a far cry from the abundance of game in Texas.

 

[JAYgs8163]

I've got mixed emotions.....on one hand I can see it....on the other, if a hunter pays for a license and factors in the cost of the hunt, including all of the equipment, ammo, guide fees and whatever else, and if he stays within the bag limit that the state themselves set, then I don't see a problem with using whatever advantage he can to take the game animal that he paid for under state guidelines. After all, who wants to spend a billfold of money and then hunt where the game they are after isn't present in that area? After all, is there anyone who doesn't want to have a successful hunt?

Define successful. Successful is not just about filling your tag in my opinion, it's the icing on the cake and I can appreciate filling my tag as much as the other guy. The "state guidelines" are clear now, no cameras. I would've been fine with a limited use and time for Cameras in the field but it was just a free for all here. Guides running 100's of cameras in the units they covered. Everybody has their cams camped out on water holes in the driest state in the country. Now that's fair chase if I've ever heard of it, not.

 

[George Dean]

I love to HUNT ...

 

[30dirty]

Phuk outfiters and Guides Trail cams and side by sides !!!!!!!