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Or Bacon Fat would be good!
DoneNOut
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As I stated above, "Hornady discovered their Amax plastic tips were melting away in flight, so they made them heat proof in the ELD line." They discovered this using doppler radar. Things moving fast in the atmosphere get hot. Shooting stars, NASA crew capsules, space shuttles, etc.These are cool videos, and gives me a "Good Idea Fairy" idea. Believe it or not we have a hard time teaching guys to see the trace of a bullet in flight. Reading the trace and following the bullet on to the target as much as possible can give as good or better feedback than just trying to spot impacts. I actually added a short class with a powerpoint with videos to day 1 of the course to show students what to look for and where/how to look prior to getting on the range. The good idea fairly in me is saying "I wonder if it would help these new sniper students visualize the path of a bullet if I put some of this cutting oil in the open tip of our matchking ammo and did a demonstration with them looking through their optics?" Dumb idea?
BFD Guns,
I don't know about the bullet heating in flight (and not trying debate or debunk) but think about the heat and pressure pushing the bullet down the barrel, add that to the metal on metal friction of that bullet going down the barrel. Dude gone be hot!
Added: looks like Rosebud beat me to it.
Ua26fitter
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Hmmm, the bacon fat could make for an interesting day at the range. Every shot has people looking around to see who is cooking bacon on the range.
I think I'm going to try it.
Kris
DoneNOut
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I think the success of the hammer trail is the deep hole in them to hold 3/10ths grain of oil. I can't imagine the OTM matchkings having as deep of hole to hold as much oil. So, I would imagine there would be limited trace. Don't let me be a negative nancy though. If you try it, please report back!
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At what distance and MV?
Try this little 'wake up'. Set up at/before dawn, with the sun directly at your back. So much so that your shadow will project almost onto the target.
Then shoot.
A copper, flat based bullet (for best effect) will reflect that sunlight straight back, and surprise your with what looks like a flaming fireball lobbing down range.
Startled the h___ out of me the first time.
Then shoot.
A copper, flat based bullet (for best effect) will reflect that sunlight straight back, and surprise your with what looks like a flaming fireball lobbing down range.
Startled the h___ out of me the first time.
Yes sir, and like I stated I am not trying to debate or debunk anything. But since you asked (
), those things are in flight for extended periods of time. People way smarter than I put them out (added: the ELD bullets) on the market; whether it's their engineers, scientists, or their fantastic marketing crew.All kidding aside- Whatever the reason, I'm all for a "better" bullet!
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Hornady referred to the tips as "heat deformation" while in flight.
Anyways this thread is about the Hammers and not Hornady. I'd like to see the smoke coming from a 35 caliber Hammer with the sun at my back. Look like a meteor tracking to the target.
Anyways this thread is about the Hammers and not Hornady. I'd like to see the smoke coming from a 35 caliber Hammer with the sun at my back. Look like a meteor tracking to the target.
The issue with the tips was solved. I know the current 7mm 180 gr eldm's and the .243 108 eldms are dead on the money and deadly on deer. I've been shooting the Amax for deer hunting for 20-25 years. The caribou in my pic was shot with the 162 gr. Longest kill is 1102 yds with the 162 gr. My buddy's shot is 1065 yds. Excellent bullets. Never had a problem with melting tips. I could see it happening with the 22-250 or 220 swift. Is the Hammer geared for short or long range as in 800 yds plus.
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I always found it hard to see trace unless it was slightly overcast. Much harder when the sun is bright and shiny.
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I am thinking the same from a 338 variety.
ntsqd
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I thought that this was a well known thing. 30 odd years ago when guys were first shooting mono's made from oillite-bronze in their .50 BMG's they were encountering this.
I read in an old post that H4831 produces something like 3870 degrees upon ignition and RL 26 generates about 3940! No wonder hot loads produce hot bullets and wear out barrels pretty quickly…These are cool videos, and gives me a "Good Idea Fairy" idea. Believe it or not we have a hard time teaching guys to see the trace of a bullet in flight. Reading the trace and following the bullet on to the target as much as possible can give as good or better feedback than just trying to spot impacts. I actually added a short class with a powerpoint with videos to day 1 of the course to show students what to look for and where/how to look prior to getting on the range. The good idea fairly in me is saying "I wonder if it would help these new sniper students visualize the path of a bullet if I put some of this cutting oil in the open tip of our matchking ammo and did a demonstration with them looking through their optics?" Dumb idea?
BFD Guns,
I don't know about the bullet heating in flight (and not trying debate or debunk) but think about the heat and pressure pushing the bullet down the barrel, add that to the metal on metal friction of that bullet going down the barrel. Dude gone be hot!
Added: looks like Rosebud beat me to it.
