6.5 creedmoor/6.5 prc recoil

[Lee D]

While being a touch slower than the SAUM chambering, I think the PRC is around to stay. Hornady is pushing this one hard, and their factory ammo in say the Creeds, has proven to be extremely affordable, and accurate.

They designed it around specific tolerances for case pressure and the tapers, in order to expose the throat to pressure effectively, and minimize any excess, and that is why many people are confident that 2500-3000rds of barrel life is a very realistic expectation.

The RSAUM's biggest problem, is that R at the beginning. Remington. The lack of factory ammo and challenge to get brass for SAUM is the reason it is not a direct contender to the PRC in my mind at this time.

 

[DocDoc]

2500-3000 maybe for the Creed, but not with 10 grains more powder. The PRC is like a 6.5x06 or 6.5x284, not known for long barrel life.

 

[Canhunter35]

What you mean by the stock shifting position? And yes it does have the xmark pro trigger. What would you do swap out the trigger completely?

Besides not being rigid enough to properly hold the action, it will also have a pressure point on the barrel and the forestock is not rigid enough to support itself and provide a freefloated barrel.
Sometimes you can find used timney and triggertech triggers for sale along with used quality stocks to save some money

 

[martinakl]

Edit: Disregard.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Just going on memory here so please correct me if in error but as I recall the 375 Ruger is not based on the 404 Jeffery, tho it does share the .532" bolt face with the RUM's that have rebated rims while the Ruger does not. As I recall the Ruger was a unique configuration unto itself, not rebated yet beltless ... yes, on occasion I have been accused of being somewhat on the OCD side!

You're correct, it's not based off the .404 Jeffery, which is what I said. It was copied, for the most part, off the specs of the .404 Jeffery, then modified to their own design...Which is exactly what I said.

 

[GPR23]

I'll throw my $.02 in on this, as i own both. The 6.5 prc has more recoil compared to a light weight 6.5cm hunting rifle, however it isn't bad. Compared to a 7mm rem mag the 6.5prc is a lot less recoil. Shooting a 7mm 180gr loads with a heavy stock and bull barrel it is still difficult for me to spot hits when shooting prone. I don't have that issue with a 6.5prc with a lighter gun setup.

The 6.5cm is even less recoil and is something you can shoot all day long with no worries. it is a nice cartridge. Honestly I like both for different uses. The 6.5cm i find i shoot more for target shooting, as it recoils less and has cheaper ammo. The 6.5 PRC i like better for hunting as it simply hits harder, shoots flatter with less wind drift.

Advice on your Remington, maybe have someone else shoot it and see if it groups. I would also recommend using some different ammo to see what it likes best. I would also highly recommend a different trigger, or adjust yours lighter. This really helps me shoot better. I love the new Trigger Tech triggers, as they are great, easy to adjust, and are cheaper then other triggers.

Also what do you consider grouping bad? how big are your groups?

 

[WildRose]

Just going on memory here so please correct me if in error but as I recall the 375 Ruger is not based on the 404 Jeffery, tho it does share the .532" bolt face with the RUM's that have rebated rims while the Ruger does not. As I recall the Ruger was a unique configuration unto itself, not rebated yet beltless ... yes, on occasion I have been accused of being somewhat on the OCD side!

That is mostly correct although you can argue it's loosely based on the same cartridge since they started looking at modifying it and chose then to make a completely proprietary cartridge with the same dimensions for legal and purposes of patenting it.

 

[Andy92]

I'll throw my $.02 in on this, as i own both. The 6.5 prc has more recoil compared to a light weight 6.5cm hunting rifle, however it isn't bad. Compared to a 7mm rem mag the 6.5prc is a lot less recoil. Shooting a 7mm 180gr loads with a heavy stock and bull barrel it is still difficult for me to spot hits when shooting prone. I don't have that issue with a 6.5prc with a lighter gun setup.

The 6.5cm is even less recoil and is something you can shoot all day long with no worries. it is a nice cartridge. Honestly I like both for different uses. The 6.5cm i find i shoot more for target shooting, as it recoils less and has cheaper ammo. The 6.5 PRC i like better for hunting as it simply hits harder, shoots flatter with less wind drift.

Advice on your Remington, maybe have someone else shoot it and see if it groups. I would also recommend using some different ammo to see what it likes best. I would also highly recommend a different trigger, or adjust yours lighter. This really helps me shoot better. I love the new Trigger Tech triggers, as they are great, easy to adjust, and are cheaper then other triggers.

Also what do you consider grouping bad? how big are your groups?

Still think the 6.5 prc would have less recoil than my 7mm rem mag even if it has a muzzle break?

 

[cheechin]

I can't see how using a fatter case is going to serve it well in AR10-type designs, given the constraints of the magwell. I'd imagine that is probably the major semi-auto chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor.

The PRC seems like a downsized 7mm SAUM to me.

 

[Lee D]

I can't see how using a fatter case is going to serve it well in AR10-type designs, given the constraints of the magwell. I'd imagine that is probably the major semi-auto chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor.

The PRC seems like a downsized 7mm SAUM to me.

When did anyone say it was going in a ar10?
Magnum bolt face ar10s are out there, but they're pretty unreliable and pointless in my opinion

6.5 Prc is very close to 6.5 saum in performance numbers. But does it with lower pressures, available factory ammo, available brass, and what should be a longer barrel longevity .

 

[WildRose]

Still think the 6.5 prc would have less recoil than my 7mm rem mag even if it has a muzzle break?

No, not if you have a good MB.

These are excellent. I have them on rifles from .260Rem all the way through .375 Ruger. Very good reduction in recoil and muzzle flip and unlike 360deg drilled brakes they are safe for shooting in dry conditions, sand, and snow.

https://www.macsgunworks.com/product-page/copy-of-nwp-muzzle-brake

There's a slight forward angle on the rear ports that helps cancel the noise directed back towards the shooter as well so if you end up having to make a quick shot and forget or don't have time to put in ear protection it won't leave you thinking your ears are bleeding.

Of course to make a real apples to apples comparison you need to compare rifles of equal weight.

 

[WildRose]

I can't see how using a fatter case is going to serve it well in AR10-type designs, given the constraints of the magwell. I'd imagine that is probably the major semi-auto chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor.

The PRC seems like a downsized 7mm SAUM to me.

Cheech with the advent of large cased rounds for AR's like the .45 calibers manufacturers have been producing single stack mag's and mag followers.

 

[WildRose]

When did anyone say it was going in a ar10?
Magnum bolt face ar10s are out there, but they're pretty unreliable and pointless in my opinion

6.5 Prc is very close to 6.5 saum in performance numbers. But does it with lower pressures, available factory ammo, available brass, and what should be a longer barrel longevity .

All good points in it's favor.

Personally I'm hoping for a factory 6.5 that can reasonably meet or exceed 3,250fps with 140's and not eat barrels like the 26N.

 

[FEENIX]

While being a touch slower than the SAUM chambering, I think the PRC is around to stay. Hornady is pushing this one hard, and their factory ammo in say the Creeds, has proven to be extremely affordable, and accurate.

They designed it around specific tolerances for case pressure and the tapers, in order to expose the throat to pressure effectively, and minimize any excess, and that is why many people are confident that 2500-3000rds of barrel life is a very realistic expectation.

The RSAUM's biggest problem, is that R at the beginning. Remington. The lack of factory ammo and challenge to get brass for SAUM is the reason it is not a direct contender to the PRC in my mind at this time.

You nailed it, failure to provide the necessary support of their innovative cartridge/chambering design missed another opportunity to gain/sustain a competitive edge.