7mm Rem Mag vs 6.5 Prc

[dale guthormsen]

Go for it, I've got a few 270 myself and I'm waiting on tikkas 6.5 prc when it comes out personally!

I too am waiting on teeka 6.5 PRC. a heavy long barrel version.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

I'm not talking about an elk quartering away at 800 yards. Obviously at LR you usually have all the time in the world to wait for a nice broadside shot, I dont condone taking anything but a nice broadside shot past 500-600 yards... The shots I am more talking about are the ones you bust out of the timber or brush at 50-100 yards, running up the opposite side of draw 200-300 yards, or maybe quartering away at 300-400 yards. So yes, I'll take a nice magnum with a bullet that has the energy and penetration to still do maximum damage if a perfect hit isnt made, because we are still human afterall. If I only have 1 opportunity at elk, I will not be limited to a pop gun, if others want to, that's their prerogative. But yes you're right, to each their own.

 

[sixfivefanboy]

I'm not talking about an elk quartering away at 800 yards. Obviously at LR you usually have all the time in the world to wait for a nice broadside shot, I dont condone taking anything but a nice broadside shot past 500-600 yards... The shots I am more talking about are the ones you bust out of the timber or brush at 50-100 yards, running up the opposite side of draw 200-300 yards, or maybe quartering away at 300-400 yards. So yes, I'll take a nice magnum with a bullet that has the energy and penetration to still do maximum damage if a perfect hit isnt made, because we are still human afterall. If I only have 1 opportunity at elk, I will not be limited to a pop gun, if others want to, that's their prerogative. But yes you're right, to each their own.

I am just saying I don't think there is a material difference between a 6.5 and a 7mm. If a guy with a 30 cal is shooting a 150gr - 200gr bullet, I dont think there is a material difference there either, especially at long range where you are giving up BC. Once you get into the 215-230gr range with the 30 cal, it is worth moving up from a 6.5 or 7mm. Just my opinion - I think you are splitting hairs with the 6.5 7mm debate.

 

[FEENIX]

Thought this was a 7 mag vs 6.5 PRC discussion has run off the rail. ?

Yes! Sadly, it always does and if you look back it was off the rail from the start.

 

[WalksLikeADeer]

I do [ever so slightly] prefer the 6.5 PRC to 7mmRM, but I certainly didn't tweak the data to make it appear superior. I don't believe Browning does make a 7mm Rem Mag in an 8 twist. They had some rifles in 7mmRM showing 8 and some 9.5 on their website back in December (and still today it appears). Back then, I called Browning directly to inquire why some models weren't available in the 8 twist, and they said actually none of them were. I suppose it is possible they are now manufacturing some models in 8 twist, but that would be news to me.

Regardless, the OP might not want a Browning - and I am certain that you would agree - "most" factory 7mmRM rifles don't come with a twist rate fast enough to shoot the heaviest bullet offerings, but "most" factory rifles in 6.5 PRC do.

It's also funny how people always get defensive when another voices support for a cartridge different from what they personally prefer. I'd wager that you own a 7mm Remington Magnum?
No worries, they are both excellent cartridges, and the OP would be well served by either.

Just a little clarification for you. There may people who want to buy a factory 7mm Rem Mag with a 1:8 twist so they should be given accurate information. The X-bolt rifles chambered in 7mm that have a stainless barrel, such as the X-bolt pro, Eclipse Hunter, stainless stalker, etc. all have 1 in 9-1/2. The carbon steel barreled Long Range rifles, such as the Hells Canyon Long Range have 1-8 twist. This is a change as of about two years ago so there could still be HC LR rifles out there that have the 9-1/2. All of the Browning rifles manufactured today with a fast twist rate will have it stamped in the barrel.

 

[Paper boy]

I'm thinking about purchasing one of these calibers for deer/elk at a max of about 500 yards and wanted to know what people thought about the merits of each caliber and obviously 7mm has alot more factory options and can load a heavier bullet but is the extra recoil worth it at the end of the day when it comes to performance on game and before peoe say anything about a 300 i have had one and cant shoot one as consistently as I'd like do to recoil.

6.5 PRC, ALL DAY LONG!

 

[MontanaOutdoorsman406]

6.5 PRC, ALL DAY LONG!

Thats the way I'm leaning

 

[Shane431]

I too am waiting on teeka 6.5 PRC. a heavy long barrel version.

You mean kind of like this?

 

[cajun]

7 mag time tested, been around and will be. Try and find prc brass right now. It's the latest 6.5 fad. Might stick around, might not. More options if your buying ammo. Can shoot heavier bullets. If your worried about recoil get a brake.

 

[Backcountry sports]

I'm not talking about an elk quartering away at 800 yards. Obviously at LR you usually have all the time in the world to wait for a nice broadside shot, I dont condone taking anything but a nice broadside shot past 500-600 yards... The shots I am more talking about are the ones you bust out of the timber or brush at 50-100 yards, running up the opposite side of draw 200-300 yards, or maybe quartering away at 300-400 yards. So yes, I'll take a nice magnum with a bullet that has the energy and penetration to still do maximum damage if a perfect hit isnt made, because we are still human afterall. If I only have 1 opportunity at elk, I will not be limited to a pop gun, if others want to, that's their prerogative. But yes you're right, to each their own.

7mm all the way more knock down power more animal got away to die and not found with a 6.5 caliber

 

[bdyal1972]

So big animals like Elk and Moose, when hit well behind the shoulder, might take a couple seconds to die. Guys will put 4 or 5 rounds in them with a 7mm or 300 thinking they dont have enough gun. So they go buy something bigger. Really, its dead on its feet, it just takes a few seconds for them to realize it. Everybody thinks their legs should just come out from under them - this only happens with a head, spine, high shoulder shot.

I have personally opened up multiple 800-1200lb elk and 400lb bear and 300lb deer that were "DRT" dropped in their tracks with a high double lung or heart and double lung shot...

My brother and I have opined on this subject many many a time over a cigar and 3 fingers...

HYDROSTATIC shock from RAPID BULLET EXPANSION of a bullet turning THOUSANDS of revolutions a second hitting skin, meat, organs etc can never be underestimated!!!

This "Temporary wound cavity" is dropping the animal instanyaneously!!!

I have seen 225 grain x bullets with a temporary wound cavities big enough that the spinal cord was damaged a full 8" from bullet path.

I really think bullet "energy" is a useless term except for 1 caveat:

"The temporary wound cavities of a 338cal 225 x bullet impacting at 2500fps is the size of a volleyball, the temporary wound cavities of a .224 40 grain impacting at 3000fps is the size of a volleyball, the temporary wound cavities of a 30 cal 165 ballistic tip impacting at 2700fps is the size of a volleyball....

Coincidentley all of these have killed elk DRT....

THE 40 GRAIN TNT WAS FROM A POACHED ELK I DID A NECROPSY ON AND BUTCHERED UP FOR DONATION BTW...

personally for an elk I want AT MINIMUM:::

1. complete penetration broadside

2. Softball size temporary wound cavities MINIMUM

3. At least 2200fps impact velocity with a minimum of 150 grains of bullet (30-30!)

4. High double lung hit behind shoulder. If range is long I get heart too. If range is short I get spine.

All that being said....

The Berger's that come apart make the biggest temporary wound cavities I have ever seen.

The nosler ballistic tips and horanadys copies are admirable as well if impact velocities are high enough.

The 40 grain 224 TNT bullet is well known as the most effective 1 shot man stopper EVER!!!

WHY?

VOLLEYBALL SIZE TEMPORARY WOUND CAVITY IN A PERPS CHEST UNDER 100 YARDS....

APPLY THIS TO ELK...

30 CAL 180 BALLISTIC TIP IN THE BOILER ROOM AT 100YARDS

338 CALIBER AT 2700 FPS IN A 225 X, 230 WINCHESTER FAIL SAFE, 300 GAME KING OR ANY BERGER HUNTING BULLET

ALL HAVE MASSIVE TEMPORARY WOUND CAVITIES.....

MY BROTHER AND I BELIEVE THIS MASSIVE TEMPORARY WOUND CAVITY "OVERLOADS:" the central nervous system and "trips a circuit breaker" in the central nervous system when there is ENOUGH trauma to the heart/liver/lungs CONCURRENTLY. or to the spinal cord through the spinal fluid in the vertebrae....

Drops in its tracks

DRT

IF, YES IF the Central Nervous System "recovers" and this cns "breaker" resets the trauma from the PERMANENT WOUND CAVITY has caused so much blood loss (heart or lungs shredded, blood loss, liver trauma etc) the animal does not have enough oxygen in its system or blood in its arteries and veins to stand up and run....

Hence why we see so much aerated blood on the ground or snow and need to perform the coup de grace...

Just my 2 cents

Lol

 

[bdyal1972]

Don't caliber up for the perfect shot. Caliber up for the worst shot.

HOORAHHHH!!!!

BRILLIANT

GOING TO USE THAT LOVE IT

 

[gvjm]

I have a 7mm with a Harrells Precision tunable brake. Virtually no recoil and speaking from experience I will never shoot any rifle without ear protection ever again. The fact that you can tune the barrel with it doesn't hurt either. Just pick a load and start playing with the weight and, at least in my case, I have a 1/2 MOA gun! I'm shooting a T/C Compass with a $10 trigger spring.

I kinda figured the recoil is definitely more stout in the 7 mag and on game is there really going to be a massive difference with good shot placement

 

[dwinmeade]

Up to 500 yards, my first pick is 6.5CM, second 7mm-08. Any higher calibers gives me a recoil I don't like. It's not that I couldn't shoot a 300 Weatherby Magnum once (twice, if needed) while hunting, but the load development and scope sighting in would prompt a quick sale for sure (but I would never buy one in the first place {wink/wink}).