Hammer bullets WTH

[cajun]

Thou shalt not disrespect the cult lol.
Couple things. I have seen negative comments about every bullet out there even the nosler partition. Which for it's time was the best killing bullet. If it had a higher bc it would still be king. Higher weight retention bullets, ie copper, kill slower. Hammer gets around this some with the petals coming off creating more damage. Light copper pushed at really high speeds can be destructive because of velocity and rpm's. When they slow down not so much. You want 2 holes and minimal meat damage shoot cooper. But unless the cns or bones are hit they will die slower run farther. It is what it is.

 

[Petey308]

It's interesting how many mechanics also do this stuff at home. I couldn't mechanic anymore so I'm management/diagnostics for a team. In interviews it tracks real strong if you like this stuff as a hobby you will have potential in the shop, but you gotta have a thick hide!!

I actually started as a crew chief, in the Air Force. Been all over the world. Crewed/worked A-10's this whole time, and proud of it. I've worked my way up and am a Production Superintendent now (ProSuper) and manage the ins and outs of our flying program and all the maintenance of our fleet in the unit.

There's definitely a lot that ties this hobby and my day job together. Having thick skin is definitely a must too, especially to make it up the ladder in this gig lol.

It's definitely interesting seeing how similar we all are in our backgrounds and how similar people flock to this sort of thing.

 

[fordy]

Gday
Imo this is probably the most relevant post in I don't know how many pages

I could start a thread like this about Bergers. Or Badlands. Or Apex. You're not hearing my bad experiences here. I test stuff to break stuff. I like objective data, not emotional reactions to ill-defined expectations and results. Been a lot of posturing here by folks trying to exploit the opportunity to promote themselves, their attitudes, and/or their views and perceived expertise or whatever future personal agenda they might be serving. Some here find joy in any negativity related to a certain company and have been actively engaged in that way on this forum for years. All of this is self-diminishing. Others here have supported said company but have had some disappointments more recently. Guys who put honesty and integrity over ego. I applaud the heart it takes to do that. Maybe said company will meet your expectations again someday.

On above I am always open minded on a new bullet coming out & treat every bullet the same ( once I clear my head as sometimes it's takes a little to understand how the pill is killing on it's different mechanisms of killing re hydraulic or just blunt like trauma of cut like a arrow I can't explain that properly but different pills kill in different ways or mechanisms I guess is better ) & try as close as I possibly can to put apples & apples together on comparing this to that yet that dosent appeal to the ones that like that companies bullets or a particular pill

History will show that a pill can only do so much
& that is the issue or been mine
As take the threads on here re target bullets are not hunting bullets was a frangible thread that I pulled apart the choice of a individual that took him a while to understand hang on I'm only a step away from failure As I was trying to show which eventually it was seen I didn't care he used his eldm it just needed to be either a bigger one or a different one & I got a tshirt of that man for which is the 2nd greatest thankyou I could ever get the first was his acknowledgment of he needed to limit his angle if he still chose to use that pill or find another that can be relied upon

Now Apex can't remember that thread but man did I cope that & pretty well everyone focused on the shattering of the shank as either ( my assumption & also been told by one so not fully assuming on the next bit ) my intention to make hammer look the better option or just causing issues & nearly everyone looked past what a great job it done in other places that may suite the individual better than a frangible or a hammer or a badlands etc as every single bullet has its terminal best window , average window & poor window & it's understanding that what I liked about that case of the apex shank shattering was marks process of yes totally not liking the results but not trying to discredit me with lies or storytelling to get people to take sides but taking them on board & advising his customers be aware that if you do this it's one to watch & rated his pills accordingly
& I'll leave out how good he thinks I am @ finding weaknesses but I know not many companies like me for what I'll do to their bullets but on that he took on board advised accordingly & today has fixed that issue that I may add not many people would see but someone will & that's why I do what I do yet I seem to get alienated pretty quickly or put in a basket of oh he's a hammer supporter which no doubt is true as many will know I still recommend them even behind closed doors & even since my banning on HT this has occurred but I'll also recommend others that has better options I've found definitely I get it wrong but a good start imo

But now we come to the last part of your post & I'll highlight this part again

Maybe said company will meet your expectations again someday.

That I hope so but trust is gained & that starts with the truth & not getting thrown under the bus for something that I didn't do
Yes I pushed hard & got extremely frustrated that started when the hammerboys left aussie on the 80 hht & what I was told on that from Steve yet I'll hold Brian in a high regard for not only that but many other things but Steve from that day forward showed his hand & progessively got worse to the point of my total frustration of not getting them to change ( the very minimum the wording ) due to the complete fabrication on me exposing on the total lies on that dangerous game pills .510 cal & part of that is in here already
Yes I'd talked behind closed doors like I had about tip issues, balancing pills , failed pills you guys knows nothing of yet some still there & told oh that's outstanding & the list goes on & to a stock standard response from Steve of not many will see what your showing

Totally agree on that as ea individual level is different & most just happy with a dead critter but someone will & like apex or the eldm examples above someone will but the line should never be crossed on Dangerous game pills & that is truly terrible imo & I'll have no part of that or potential litigation issues arising from that

So yes I hope the hammer company meet my expectations once again & those are starting with the truth so balls in your court Steve

to everyone else can we stop the back & forth antics that will potentially get this thread locked if it gets out of control anymore so better to let Steve state his part but it needs to be the truth & it's surely not that hard we all can wait till then or @ a minimum be civil

Cheers

 

[PopNFresh]

now that everyone is friends I can safely admit I only started using Norma tipstrikes to make all sides of the bullet debate mad

and sorry I beat you to that powder funnel earlier this morning bean, I usually don't wake up that early

 

[FEENIX]

I actually started as a crew chief, in the Air Force. Been all over the world. Crewed/worked A-10's this whole time, and proud of it. I've worked my way up and am a Production Superintendent now (ProSuper) and manage the ins and outs of our flying program and all the maintenance of our fleet in the unit.

There's definitely a lot that ties this hobby and my day job together. Having thick skin is definitely a must too, especially to make it up the ladder in this gig lol.

It's definitely interesting seeing how similar we all are in our backgrounds and how sonar people flock to this sort of thing.

From a pointy head, Brother. HELLYEAH!

 

[Petey308]

Thank you so much! Very good breakdown and as I suspected, your explanation is very similar to my experiences.

My bullet journey went from standard cup and core, to bonded, to monos, back to bonded, and now ballistic tips and match bullets. I prefer dead as soon as possible over saving as much meat as I can.

I ended up making a 2-part thread talking about this sort of thing in much much more detail lol. Not here to plug anything, but both parts were posted recently on the site, if you're interested.

 

[ButterBean]

Gday
Imo this is probably the most relevant post in I don't know how many pages



On above I am always open minded on a new bullet coming out & treat every bullet the same ( once I clear my head as sometimes it's takes a little to understand how the pill is killing on it's different mechanisms of killing re hydraulic or just blunt like trauma of cut like a arrow I can't explain that properly but different pills kill in different ways or mechanisms I guess is better ) & try as close as I possibly can to put apples & apples together on comparing this to that yet that dosent appeal to the ones that like that companies bullets or a particular pill

History will show that a pill can only do so much
& that is the issue or been mine
As take the threads on here re target bullets are not hunting bullets was a frangible thread that I pulled apart the choice of a individual that took him a while to understand hang on I'm only a step away from failure As I was trying to show which eventually it was seen I didn't care he used his eldm it just needed to be either a bigger one or a different one & I got a tshirt of that man for which is the 2nd greatest thankyou I could ever get the first was his acknowledgment of he needed to limit his angle if he still chose to use that pill or find another that can be relied upon

Now Apex can't remember that thread but man did I cope that & pretty well everyone focused on the shattering of the shank as either ( my assumption & also been told by one so not fully assuming on the next bit ) my intention to make hammer look the better option or just causing issues & nearly everyone looked past what a great job it done in other places that may suite the individual better than a frangible or a hammer or a badlands etc as every single bullet has its terminal best window , average window & poor window & it's understanding that what I liked about that case of the apex shank shattering was marks process of yes totally not liking the results but not trying to discredit me with lies or storytelling to get people to take sides but taking them on board & advising his customers be aware that if you do this it's one to watch & rated his pills accordingly
& I'll leave out how good he thinks I am @ finding weaknesses but I know not many companies like me for what I'll do to their bullets but on that he took on board advised accordingly & today has fixed that issue that I may add not many people would see but someone will & that's why I do what I do yet I seem to get alienated pretty quickly or put in a basket of oh he's a hammer supporter which no doubt is true as many will know I still recommend them even behind closed doors & even since my banning on HT this has occurred but I'll also recommend others that has better options I've found definitely I get it wrong but a good start imo

But now we come to the last part of your post & I'll highlight this part again

That I hope so but trust is gained & that starts with the truth & not getting thrown under the bus for something that I didn't do
Yes I pushed hard & got extremely frustrated that started when the hammerboys left aussie on the 80 hht & what I was told on that from Steve yet I'll hold Brian in a high regard for not only that but many other things but Steve from that day forward showed his hand & progessively got worse to the point of my total frustration of not getting them to change ( the very minimum the wording ) due to the complete fabrication on me exposing on the total lies on that dangerous game pills .510 cal & part of that is in here already
Yes I'd talked behind closed doors like I had about tip issues, balancing pills , failed pills you guys knows nothing of yet some still there & told oh that's outstanding & the list goes on & to a stock standard response from Steve of not many will see what your showing

Totally agree on that as ea individual level is different & most just happy with a dead critter but someone will & like apex or the eldm examples above someone will but the line should never be crossed on Dangerous game pills & that is truly terrible imo & I'll have no part of that or potential litigation issues arising from that

So yes I hope the hammer company meet my expectations once again & those are starting with the truth so balls in your court Steve

to everyone else can we stop the back & forth antics that will potentially get this thread locked if it gets out of control anymore so better to let Steve state his part but it needs to be the truth & it's surely not that hard we all can wait till then or @ a minimum be civil

Cheers

X-2

 

[bigngreen]

I ended up making a 2-part thread talking about this sort of thing in much much more detail lol. Not here to plug anything, but both parts were posted recently on the site, if you're intinterested.

Have you considered hitting up Len and doing that in a article format with a discussion thread. It's just a lot to digest in a thread format. Especially when your just rocking the phone as primary device not a computer.

 

[ButterBean]

now that everyone is friends I can safely admit I only started using Norma tipstrikes to make all sides of the bullet debate mad

and sorry I beat you to that powder funnel earlier this morning bean, I usually don't wake up that early

WTH that's just wrong

 

[Petey308]

Have you considered hitting up Len and doing that in an article format with a discussion thread. It's just a lot to digest in a thread format. Especially when your just rocking the phone as primary device not a computer.

I've considered it, yes, but am reluctant to do that because I guess I'm not sure how he'd take it with not being a staff member. I was once in discussions with the owner of another forum about writing articles for the forum, but those discussions kind of just stopped and nothing ever came of it, unfortunately. If Len or his crew wanted that, I'd be willing to entertain it, but it's not my main ambition.

I do understand it's hard to read through all that on a phone though. I'm typing and responding to you now from my phone, but I made those threads from a computer lol.

 

[PopNFresh]

do it on rokslide, then we won't have this thread every day and with new people that just joined to tell you why only their system works correctly

 

[Petey308]

do it on rokslide, then we won't have this thread every day and with new people that just joined to tell you why only their system works correctly

Rokslide is a bit too much for me lol. If you want a discussion to be taken seriously and professionally, that tends to not be the place lol. And I mean that respectfully, as much as I can.

 

[bigngreen]

@Petey308 My experience has been positive dealing with Len but it's been a LONG time too and things do change.

 

[ButterBean]

Rokslide is a bit too much for me lol. If you want a discussion to be taken seriously and professionally, that tends to not be the place lol. And I mean that respectfully, as much as I can.

X-2 but you can find some great deals on winter gear over there, It's like the Sitka Goodwill