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300 PRC Sherman improved or 300 Remington Ultra Mag
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rpierce
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I threw together a 30-28 nosler for myself. Figured with the several hundred 28 noslers Ive made for customers that they will want something a little more barrel friendly when the barrels shot out. I put a proof carbon barrel on it. Kelbly atlas action and a manners eh1. I only use Kahles scopes. I did a ladder test and saw where it wanted to be shot. First group after the ladder test had .162" vertical at 400 yds, .038 moa vertical. First two shots went in the same hole. Third one the wind moved over 1" to the left. I figured that would work for a load. H1000 with a 215 berger at 3075 fps and ADG brass. Primer pockets were super tight after that load. Anything over 3100 started to exhibit some pressure signs. I know I could hit 3150+ fps easily with Reloader 33 or n570. A couple weeks later I took it to 950 yds. First shot hit the left side of the steel. I made a windage correction and shot a 3 shot group that measured 1.5" @ 950 yds. I thought maybe it was a fluke. I shot another 3 shot group. The first two were in the same splotch on the steel target. The wind moved the 3rd one to the right 3". Id just shot 7 shots with under 3" of vertical at 950 yds off the bipod. It was definitely one of the easiest cartridges to find the load for that I have seen. Same load has shot awesome in the last couple 30-28 noslers I test fired for customers.
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I'm building my 300 PRC with the Hawkins CIP length. Being a southpaw I'm in a holding pattern at the mercy of Graybow for my stock.
rpierce
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I use the Hawkins bdl on all my customers rifles. Never had one open up due to recoil. Great design.
I have a 300 RUM with 29.5" Krieger barrel 1:10 using 210 OTM at 3150fps under 60k psi. You can do it.
BoatTail
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Would you be willing to share your neck and throat dimensions on your 30 28 Nosler? I'd also like to know your COAL with the Berger 215s.
Arkansasdad
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Why don't you look into a 300 Weatherby, it will do everything that these others will do without "building" anything. You will have to load for it to obtain a sub MOA but you will for the others also. They come with first class barrels and out of the box ergo furniture. I cant touch one of them for what a build costs and if I get hard up for ammo I can buy it off the shelf.
If your interested p.m. me I'll share mine.
BoatTail
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I love the 300 Weatherby Magnum. There's just something about that double radiused shoulder that is nostalgic and you just know it's going to perform. However all the manuals I've seen show it at just over 3000 feet per second with 210 plus grain bullets. Doesn't reach my goal launching those heavy pills at 3150. Perhaps there's new loading data with new powders that perform better. If so I'd like to know about it.
freddiej
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I'm probably the last person that should comment, give an opinion, on this topic, but I feel it would cause confusion and chaos.. So here it is.. *** are you people smoking? why on god's green earth are you guys trying to spit a 30 caliber, 212 to 215 grain pill out at 3,100+ FPS? Are you trying to shoot elephants at 2.9 miles? I have shot the 180 grain 300 RUM two shots and thought it was the most brutal SOB in existence. I have not heard of these other rounds. You all are telling me that there are more brutal rounds out there than the 300 RUM? *place a considerable string of cussing here* this is madness, UTTER MADNESS I say! I have a 300 RUM w/Muzzle brake I am trying to sell because I just can't see a use for it in my arsenal of calibers. it's only had 2 rounds through it and needs to go away, far-far away. Maybe some mid-western/plains guy will see my ad on gun broker and snatch the thing up. it does not need to be in my possession. all I will do is convert it into a really nice 338 Lapua Magnum long range hunter.
therifleman556
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Does anyone need a new 700 hp Dodge Challenger? Probably not but it'd be cool as hell.
The 300 Weatherby has the exact same capacity as the smaller capacity 30 noslers with one big problem. If you load the 215 to utilize that capacity in the Weatherby you will have to single feed in all but the single stack Wyatts boxes which are a pain. The 30 Nosler has more capacity with ADG brass and a shorter OAL length with a 215 or 230 for that matter seated where it should be. In my personal opinion the other cartridges have their place but the 30 nosler made the 300 Weatherby OBSOLETE for the reasons I mentioned.
rpierce
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Freddiej.
Theres no recoil in these setups with a good muzzle brake. Why not push it faster? Less drop, wind drift and more energy down range. I have a 10.25 lbs with optics 300 norma improved that will spit 215s at 3200 fps with a mild load of n570. I can spot hits at 400 yds off the bipod no problem with my scope cranked up to 25x. I wouldn't hesitate to let my wife shoot it. That is the ultimate light weight long range setup for elk. I built a heavy norma improved for plinking. 30" barrel that spits 230 bergers at 3080 with a mild load of n570. Reticle doesn't leave the 400 yd target during recoil. And it held .3 moa vertical for 10 shots at 400 yds off the bipod. Shot 5 shots and came back a while later after the barrel cooled and shot the other 5 shots. Personally i think the norma or norma improved is the way to go. I have one piece of lapua 300 norma brass with 18 warm firings on it and the primer pocket is still tight. 14 of those firings were in a 26" barrel pushing a 230 berger at 3100 fps with retumbo. Shot great but was definitely warm as there was a noticeable bolt click. I had one piece of brass that the chargemaster drifted and dumped 3 gr more powder in than a warm load. I had to hit the bolt to open it. The primer pocket was still tight. Essentially youll never wear out Lapua 300 norma brass. Buy 100 pieces and itll last you the rest of your life.
Theres no recoil in these setups with a good muzzle brake. Why not push it faster? Less drop, wind drift and more energy down range. I have a 10.25 lbs with optics 300 norma improved that will spit 215s at 3200 fps with a mild load of n570. I can spot hits at 400 yds off the bipod no problem with my scope cranked up to 25x. I wouldn't hesitate to let my wife shoot it. That is the ultimate light weight long range setup for elk. I built a heavy norma improved for plinking. 30" barrel that spits 230 bergers at 3080 with a mild load of n570. Reticle doesn't leave the 400 yd target during recoil. And it held .3 moa vertical for 10 shots at 400 yds off the bipod. Shot 5 shots and came back a while later after the barrel cooled and shot the other 5 shots. Personally i think the norma or norma improved is the way to go. I have one piece of lapua 300 norma brass with 18 warm firings on it and the primer pocket is still tight. 14 of those firings were in a 26" barrel pushing a 230 berger at 3100 fps with retumbo. Shot great but was definitely warm as there was a noticeable bolt click. I had one piece of brass that the chargemaster drifted and dumped 3 gr more powder in than a warm load. I had to hit the bolt to open it. The primer pocket was still tight. Essentially youll never wear out Lapua 300 norma brass. Buy 100 pieces and itll last you the rest of your life.
