I'm probably the last person that should comment, give an opinion, on this topic, but I feel it would cause confusion and chaos.. So here it is.. *** are you people smoking? why on god's green earth are you guys trying to spit a 30 caliber, 212 to 215 grain pill out at 3,100+ FPS? Are you trying to shoot elephants at 2.9 miles? I have shot the 180 grain 300 RUM two shots and thought it was the most brutal SOB in existence. I have not heard of these other rounds. You all are telling me that there are more brutal rounds out there than the 300 RUM? *place a considerable string of cussing here* this is madness, UTTER MADNESS I say! I have a 300 RUM w/Muzzle brake I am trying to sell because I just can't see a use for it in my arsenal of calibers. it's only had 2 rounds through it and needs to go away, far-far away. Maybe some mid-western/plains guy will see my ad on gun broker and snatch the thing up. it does not need to be in my possession. all I will do is convert it into a really nice 338 Lapua Magnum long range hunter.