What would you change?

[6pakzak]

I bet that 3/4 group wouldn't be so easy with a gritty 10lb trigger

 

[dfanonymous]

Doesn't make me mad, the fact is most if not all people will shoot better with a better trigger, so it's ok for competition but nothing else, so anyone with a good trigger on their hunting rifle is masking their poor marksmanship since it's only necessary for competition, well then you probably just covered 99 percent of people on here, maybe someday with enough practice we can graduate to crappy triggers. You can still have good technique and have a good trigger, or do you disagree with this?

Yes, you can have good technique and a good trigger. However, if it's such a big deal to you, then why are you so against someone using a regular trigger? Do you feel a aftermarket trigger makes you shoot better? Lol because if yes, it sounds like it's masking poor technique. That's why "most people shoot better." As you said. Yes, I do believe 99% are indeed covered on here. This isn't the first time someone has taken issue to my same response, on a similar thread. It's not even the 5th time.

This seems mind blowing for you.

If you're use to having good technique, and you can shoot good with whatever trigger you're shooting, whenever….imagine how much how much nicer it is to shoot with a good trigger? However you shouldn't be noticing gains of accuracy. Because again, that means there's a flaw in your technique.

 

[gohring3006]

I bet that 3/4 group wouldn't be so easy with a gritty 10lb trigger

I've never had a 10 pound trigger on a bolt gun, I think the worse I ever had was a non adjustable mossberg patriot trigger at 4 pounds. Most are adjustable down to at least three pounds, thats heavy but you can study it and learn the creep. I can feel my tc venture creep and I know when it's going to break. It's 3 pounds and the heaviest trigger I have, my lightest is 6 oz.

 

[6pakzak]

As of late many newer guns are coming with better triggers, years ago a 7 lb trigger on a bolt gun was pretty common so you're benefiting from companies listening to their customers demanding better triggers. The question was if everything on gun was mediocre meaning not so good anything. You just admitted to having a Gucci 6 ounce trigger, Are you trying to mask something? So your saying being able to feel a good trigger and knowing when it's gonna break helps you shoot better? How can this be?

 

[dfanonymous]

As of late many newer guns are coming with better triggers, years ago a 7 lb trigger on a bolt gun was pretty common so you're benefiting from companies listening to their customers demanding better triggers. The question was if everything on gun was mediocre meaning not so good anything. You just admitted to having a Gucci 6 ounce trigger, Are you trying to mask something? So your saying being able to feel a good trigger and knowing when it's gonna break helps you shoot better? How can this be?

Lowering the trigger weight IS suppose to help with a surprise break. To your point.

Again, if you're doing things how you're suppose to be, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if it's 10 lbs, 7 lbs, 3 lbs, 1 lbs or whatever. You should be getting a surprise break in your trigger press. There's just more mental effort in a heavier trigger. It can get trained out. Most of us have multiple rifles. I leave regular triggers on hunting rifles for the most part. I leave them around 3 lbs.

My PRS rifles are significantly more expensive, and I leave the trigger around 2 lbs. it works for me, and I feel it's safe. For me, and for drops.

A lot of military sniper rifles and other service rifles again are 6 lbs more or less. No one has ever failed sniper school ever blamed their marksmanship failures on a trigger. No Marine I've ever served with ever blamed not getting their expert badge because if the trigger.

 

[Mad Minion]

To answer the OP question, trigger.
The goal is to hit your target with consistency. A quality trigger is a no brainer. Trigger companies have made mastering trigger fundamentals a thing of the past. My optimistic side embraces the idea to focus on other important fundamentals. Like sight picture, point of aim, and possibly most important breathing control. I say thanks for one less thing to detract my focus from the target.
My personal preference is a triggertech set at 17 oz hunting or target shooting, couldn't wait to graduate from the military's retarded triggers.

 

[6pakzak]

Yes, you can have good technique and a good trigger. However, if it's such a big deal to you, then why are you so against someone using a regular trigger? Do you feel a aftermarket trigger makes you shoot better? Lol because if yes, it sounds like it's masking poor technique. That's why "most people shoot better." As you said. Yes, I do believe 99% are indeed covered on here. This isn't the first time someone has taken issue to my same response, on a similar thread. It's not even the 5th time.

This seems mind blowing for you.

If you're use to having good technique, and you can shoot good with whatever trigger you're shooting, whenever….imagine how much how much nicer it is to shoot with a good trigger? However you shouldn't be noticing gains of accuracy. Because again, that means there's a flaw in your technique.

I'm not against anyone having any trigger they want, how you can take that from what I wrote baffles me, I'm saying to be clear is that just because you have a good trigger doesn't mean you have bad technique or your masking something.

 

[Mad Minion]

Lowering the trigger weight IS suppose to help with a surprise break. To your point.

Again, if you're doing things how you're suppose to be, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if it's 10 lbs, 7 lbs, 3 lbs, 1 lbs or whatever. You should be getting a surprise break in your trigger press. There's just more mental effort in a heavier trigger. It can get trained out. Most of us have multiple rifles. I leave regular triggers on hunting rifles for the most part. I leave them around 3 lbs.

My PRS rifles are significantly more expensive, and I leave the trigger around 2 lbs. it works for me, and I feel it's safe. For me, and for drops.

A lot of military sniper rifles and other service rifles again are 6 lbs more or less. No one has ever failed sniper school ever blamed their marksmanship failures on a trigger. No Marine I've ever served with ever blamed not getting their expert badge because if the trigger.

Why does "suppose to be" have to be so important if you can take a quality trigger and shoot outstanding with it, without the proper military training.
The idea you have to learn on a stock trigger, military heavyweight, or anything but a quality trigger puts a halt on foward thinking.
I'm a lifer, and I can promise you this. If you were to replace those triggers on service rifles with a good quality crisp trigger halfway through sniper school, not one of those soldiers would ask for the "stock" one back including yourself. Stop being so salty brother.

 

[dfanonymous]

Why does "suppose to be" have to be so important if you can take a quality trigger and shoot outstanding with it, without the proper military training.
The idea you have to learn on a stock trigger, military heavyweight, or anything but a quality trigger puts a halt on foward thinking.
I'm a lifer, and I can promise you this. If you were to replace those triggers on service rifles with a good quality crisp trigger halfway through sniper school, not one of those soldiers would ask for the "stock" one back including yourself. Stop being so salty brother.

Sounds like you take shortcuts. Probably means you take shortcuts in your life too. Also this isn't about military training. We are talking fundamentals of marksmanship. They are universal to all shooters not specific to .mil

And no. Military triggers are designed the way they are for a reason. There are already too many ******* in that do stupid things as is and field conditions that not all aftermarket triggers can hold up. Unless you're some pog in the MTU. In which case you can do what you want, however I doubt you life'd in the MTU. I still contract as a sniper for the DOS. I use whatever's in the rifle dude. It's no sweat of my back. I don't even think about trigger lbs.

It's not about forward thinking. It's a unnecessary expense. If you're shooting well because of a trigger but you have poor fundamentals, it comes out in field shooting, or anytime when things are unnaturally different. You're argument is basically saying that the shooter doesn't need to be good, the rifle equipment will do all the work. I see it never at work, and all the time with the new guys in PRS. Shoot well in the prone, or of the bench, then fall apart everywhere else.

Hunting isn't much different.

 

[6pakzak]

To answer the OP question, trigger.
The goal is to hit your target with consistency. A quality trigger is a no brainer. Trigger companies have made mastering trigger fundamentals a thing of the past. My optimistic side embraces the idea to focus on other important fundamentals. Like sight picture, point of aim, and possibly most important breathing control. I say thanks for one less thing to detract my focus from the target.
My personal preference is a triggertech set at 17 oz hunting or target shooting, couldn't wait to graduate from the military's retarded triggers.

Exactly, helps you concentrate on other aspects better, don't remember my trigger on m16 in army being bad but the the guns we used were so worn out it probably wasn't too bad.

 

[6pakzak]

Why does "suppose to be" have to be so important if you can take a quality trigger and shoot outstanding with it, without the proper military training.
The idea you have to learn on a stock trigger, military heavyweight, or anything but a quality trigger puts a halt on foward thinking.
I'm a lifer, and I can promise you this. If you were to replace those triggers on service rifles with a good quality crisp trigger halfway through sniper school, not one of those soldiers would ask for the "stock" one back including yourself. Stop being so salty brother.

I love my good triggers.

 

[Mad Minion]

Sounds like you take shortcuts. Probably means you take shortcuts in your life too. Also this isn't about military training. We are talking fundamentals of marksmanship. They are universal to all shooters not specific to .mil

And no. Military triggers are designed the way they are for a reason. There are already too many ******* in that do stupid things as is and field conditions that not all aftermarket triggers can hold up. Unless you're some pog in the MTU. In which case you can do what you want, however I doubt you life'd in the MTU. I still contract as a sniper for the DOS. I use whatever's in the rifle dude. It's no sweat of my back. I don't even think about trigger lbs.

It's not about forward thinking. It's a unnecessary expense. If you're shooting well because of a trigger but you have poor fundamentals, it comes out in field shooting, or anytime when things are unnaturally different. You're argument is basically saying that the shooter doesn't need to be good, the rifle equipment will do all the work. I see it never at work, and all the time with the new guys in PRS. Shoot well in the prone, or of the bench, then fall apart everywhere else.

Hunting isn't much different.

First of all you can take that tone elsewhere, why you think you need to come on here berate everyone for disagreeing with you is your problem, dont like what someone has to say then GTFO.
The fact is your lost in the past with all your " gotta be my way or your an idiot" take that crap somewhere else. If I were to guess you got your butt handed to you quite a bit growing up. another fact is you don't know crap about me or my service son, you understand. I came at you without being disrespectful, any military man worth his weight is salt would reciprocate.
Now, we don't have to agree and I'm cool with that, but the fact is average Joe can spend his money however he wants and if he wants to buy a trigger to improve his shooting then so be it. Not everyone is touting to be a professional marksman here, only you. Relax man

 

[dfanonymous]

First of all you can take that tone elsewhere, why you think you need to come on here berate everyone for disagreeing with you is your problem, dont like what someone has to say then GTFO.
The fact is your lost in the past with all your " gotta be my way or your an idiot" take that crap somewhere else. If I were to guess you got your butt handed to you quite a bit growing up. another fact is you don't know crap about me or my service son, you understand. I came at you without being disrespectful, any military man worth his weight is salt would reciprocate.
Now, we don't have to agree and I'm cool with that, but the fact is average Joe can spend his money however he wants and if he wants to buy a trigger to improve his shooting then so be it. Not everyone is touting to be a professional marksman here, only you. Relax man

You're free to try to come change my tone.
You quoted me bud, so here we are.

You came at me like a pog. Know I know you are. To me it's not me berating you, it's speaking a level of truth.
There's no need for reciprocation, I wasn't in Afghanistan or Iraq with you. I don't know you. All I know is what you're saying on here. Which obviously I don't agree with.

You quoted me. You disagreed with me. Not the other way around.
The last guy…he quoted me…so no, let's not turn this around like I'm just finding people on the internet and disagreeing with them spreading all this fundementals of marksmanship non-sense. Hahaha

 

[6pakzak]

Sounds like you take shortcuts. Probably means you take shortcuts in your life too. Also this isn't about military training. We are talking fundamentals of marksmanship. They are universal to all shooters not specific to .mil

And no. Military triggers are designed the way they are for a reason. There are already too many ******* in that do stupid things as is and field conditions that not all aftermarket triggers can hold up. Unless you're some pog in the MTU. In which case you can do what you want, however I doubt you life'd in the MTU. I still contract as a sniper for the DOS. I use whatever's in the rifle dude. It's no sweat of my back. I don't even think about trigger lbs.

It's not about forward thinking. It's a unnecessary expense. If you're shooting well because of a trigger but you have poor fundamentals, it comes out in field shooting, or anytime when things are unnaturally different. You're argument is basically saying that the shooter doesn't need to be good, the rifle equipment will do all the work. I see it never at work, and all the time with the new guys in PRS. Shoot well in the prone, or of the bench, then fall apart everywhere else.

Hunting isn't much different.

Never said the shooter doesn't have to be good, your making **** up, don't put words in my mouth, you don't want a better trigger than don't get one but don't tell everyone else that they're technique or fundamentals are wrong or they're masking something because you are wrong.