What would you change?

[dfanonymous]

Is it really masking technique if the technique has changed. If you ask me if I think fundamentals are necessary, yes I do it's idiotic to ignore them. But we can't deny what these new triggers give to an average shooter that sees a range maybe 5 times a year. This is a good thing for our sport. Your job requires your focus and I respect that, but the average dude doesn't do what you do and never will. Heck the quality trigger might even give a man more confidence to make the good shot. We both know confidence in our abilities is paramount.
Not mad, it's more like rolling my Fxxx eyes cause some internet dude is calling me a POG, I guess it's a grunt thing and just realize they still love us too but can't get past the jeleousy that we get to ride in the helicopter all day.

I really was never coming from the professional standpoint.
The military training works but is also not perfect. Which is why there so many other schools we get sent to. I just was trying to give out a series of examples.

The issue that comes to mind is the other people. The new PRS guys are just the easier to pick on. The gear really does them no good when starting out.
Hunters are another group. Guys get a little jumpy in the bush when they spot that trophy or whatever.

To the point, as a personality on the internet, I don't care what people use or spend their money on. If a shooter is a plinker or someone only takes the rifle out before each hunting season, then that's not the crowd that really is going to be receptive to what I'm saying. I get that, and you're right.

While I'm not sure on the polling, I'd wager that a large portion of the forum takes or would like to think they take their shooting serious. So I throw it out there what I learned. It's no voodoo or a trade secret. Yes, in terms of confidence, I rather see a mild shooter do ok, then be concerned with learning if he's not a really concerned with learning.

 

[6pakzak]

I also have a 1911 with lighter main spring and trigger at 2lbs that will do the same thing. A good friend of mine who is a phenomenal shooter, second best in our club can knock out the center with my 45, he tried his Glock 45 and was lucky to just hit the paper and he put better trigger in his Glock, it's like 5lbs but much cleaner, so that lighter trigger is allowing him to engage the target quicker and more accurately.

 

[6pakzak]

I also have a 1911 with lighter main spring and trigger at 2lbs that will do the same thing. A good friend of mine who is a phenomenal shooter, second best in our club can knock out the center with my 45, he tried his Glock 45 and was lucky to just hit the paper and he put better trigger in his Glock, it's like 5lbs but much cleaner, so that lighter trigger is allowing him to engage the target quicker and more accurately.

Well I haven't seen anyone that could take a carry pistol and do that, so you must be one of the best shooters in the world, you better get yourself out there, lots of money to be made, endorsements, etc. I do apologize I didn't realize you were that good, so you do shoot one handed a lot?

 

[dfanonymous]

But ok, you're ok with 11, so when I shoot bullseye on our timed event which is 5 shots in 10 seconds one handed you think you could shoot that Beretta as good as a model 41 with a 2lb trigger which is the limit of how low you can go on trigger and everyone that's any good is there. We shoot one handed, not two and I can usually keep the bullets within a 2 inch circle. So you could do that right?

I don't know, double actions switch to single action. But if we're talking pistol out to 7 yards or so and I could magically keep in double action, yeah, probably. I'm not a crazy pistol shooter but I don't think I've ever dropped a shot on a double action, and 10 seconds is a long time…but no, im not a one handed competitive shooter. My groups would be pretty open compared to others I'd imagine. I've been pretty clear my lane is in the rifle world. A person with a smaller hand would be shaking to much trying to pull back the trigger. However, these are extreme circumstances to try to make your point.

In a rifle, at a one inch square with 11lbs probably not too. It probably take me a few goes to have all bullets touching. Again, spoiled.

 

[6pakzak]

My 6.5 and 233 always make one hole from 100 from cold barrel to hot and always under 1/2 unless I'm trying a new load, I put a better trigger on my AR-15 and find it way easier to engage multiple targets, got steel set up in backyard. 7 yards is 21 feet, we shoot from 50 feet and I would think the same concept applies to pistol triggers wouldn't you.

 

[6pakzak]

I don't know, double actions switch to single action. But if we're talking pistol out to 7 yards or so and I could magically keep in double action, yeah, probably. I'm not a crazy pistol shooter but I don't think I've ever dropped a shot on a double action, and 10 seconds is a long time…but no, im not a one handed competitive shooter. My groups would be pretty open compared to others I'd imagine. I've been pretty clear my lane is in the rifle world. A person with a smaller hand would be shaking to much trying to pull back the trigger. However, these are extreme circumstances to try to make your point.

In a rifle, at a one inch square with 11lbs probably not too. It probably take me a few goes to have all bullets touching. Again, spoiled.

I thought you meant you would do twice as good when you said double.

 

[6pakzak]

I don't know, double actions switch to single action. But if we're talking pistol out to 7 yards or so and I could magically keep in double action, yeah, probably. I'm not a crazy pistol shooter but I don't think I've ever dropped a shot on a double action, and 10 seconds is a long time…but no, im not a one handed competitive shooter. My groups would be pretty open compared to others I'd imagine. I've been pretty clear my lane is in the rifle world. A person with a smaller hand would be shaking to much trying to pull back the trigger. However, these are extreme circumstances to try to make your point.

In a rifle, at a one inch square with 11lbs probably not too. It probably take me a few goes to have all bullets touching. Again, spoiled.

So all this back and forth, just looking at your reply again, you're admitting that you would have a harder time with the heavier trigger, you write that it would take you a few goes to have bullets touching or does it always take you a few goes to have the bullets touching.

 

[6pakzak]

So all this back and forth, just looking at your reply again, you're admitting that you would have a harder time with the heavier trigger, you write that it would take you a few goes to have bullets touching or does it always take you a few goes to have the bullets touching.

Careful, that's a catch 22.

 

[6pakzak]

BTW, does anyone know where worth your salt came from, as someone mentioned that phrase earlier.

 

[WildRose]

I agree with this but I think the trigger beats it by a photo finish. To be honest if it were me I would do a bedding job along with the trigger. But the OP didn't give us that option to choose 2.

I start with float/bed and a trigger job on all of mine these days.

If I had to start with only one though it's the float/bed.

You're never going to shoot a decent group if your action and barrel are stressed due to imperfections in how the rifle is originally put together.

Only once you have them done do you really have a good point of reference for what else is needed.

Only once did I ever have a trigger so bad from the factory I considered it "unshootable" but a little fine filing and honing and some adjustment made it very nice to shoot with just a few hours work.

I'm also prone to bathing the entire action in an oil based lapping compound and working the snot out of it till every burr is gone but that's further down the line.

 

[6pakzak]

I start with float/bed and a trigger job on all of mine these days.

If I had to start with only one though it's the float/bed.

You're never going to shoot a decent group if your action and barrel are stressed due to imperfections in how the rifle is originally put together.

Only once you have them done do you really have a good point of reference for what else is needed.

Only once did I ever have a trigger so bad from the factory I considered it "unshootable" but a little fine filing and honing and some adjustment made it very nice to shoot with just a few hours work.

I'm also prone to bathing the entire action in an oil based lapping compound and working the snot out of it till every burr is gone but that's further down the line.

Never heard anyone using oil based lapping compound, is there a name brand you use or your own mixture, how do you keep out of barrel, I would be afraid of making stuff to sloppy unless maybe a real light mixture

 

[gohring3006]

As of late many newer guns are coming with better triggers, years ago a 7 lb trigger on a bolt gun was pretty common so you're benefiting from companies listening to their customers demanding better triggers. The question was if everything on gun was mediocre meaning not so good anything. You just admitted to having a Gucci 6 ounce trigger, Are you trying to mask something? So your saying being able to feel a good trigger and knowing when it's gonna break helps you shoot better? How can this be?

The gun with the 6oz trigger is far from mediocre, I'm not masking anything, I'm trying to cold bore the mile plate. Not sure why you're trying to pick fights, I said I'd change the barrel on a poor shooting rifle,
My triggers on my customs have nothing to do with your hypothetical junk rifle.
I was just giving examples from one extreme to the other on my setups.
You are high jacking the thread to call everyone out on their personal rifles/choices. It's a hypothetical thread about a junk rifle. People will have different opinions.

There's gentlemen in this sport and there's blowhards that's for sure.

 

[6pakzak]

The gun with the 6oz trigger is far from mediocre, I'm not masking anything, I'm trying to cold bore the mile plate. Not sure why you're trying to pick fights, I said I'd change the barrel on a poor shooting rifle,
My triggers on my customs have nothing to do with your hypothetical junk rifle.
I was just giving examples from one extreme to the other on my setups.
You are high jacking the thread to call everyone out on their personal rifles/choices. It's a hypothetical thread about a junk rifle. People will have different opinions.

There's gentlemen in this sport and there's blowhards that's for sure.

You seem to be saying the trigger don't matter but yet you have guns with nice triggers is what I was pointing out, other guy you seem to be agreeing with was the one basically saying people get good triggers to mask other shooting issues or techniques which I think makes absolutely no sense and I only said that to you cause I thought you would get it and how silly it sounds. I also have guns with nice light triggers that are costly and not getting them to mask anything and I don't think you are either, trying to make a point, nothing against you.

 

[gohring3006]

You seem to be saying the trigger don't matter but yet you have guns with nice triggers is what I was pointing out, other guy you seem to be agreeing with was the one basically saying people get good triggers to mask other shooting issues or techniques which I think makes absolutely no sense and I only said that to you cause I thought you would get it and how silly it sounds. I also have guns with nice light triggers that are costly and not getting them to mask anything and I don't think you are either, trying to make a point, nothing against you.

Fair enough. Sometimes context gets lost in writing, it could've come off completely different if we were talking.
I just wanted to emulate that my rifles are special purpose rifles, the rifle that shoots a mile gets a 6oz trigger, the rifle that gets used with gloves for hunting has a 3# trigger. It's not masking it's just appropriate applications.