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What would you do?

I don't think that I would buy a 1000 yard gun and basically take it out of a box and plan on shooting deer at 1000 yards. You need a lot of practice first in my opinion. I have 3 guns that will do the distance and more , I practice all the time and but when hunting, I always try to get closer to make sure there is a clean kill .
 
I have a 20 year old Remington 700 in 300 wm. Factory gun. With a decent 600 yard plus scope , 20 MOA base. It does better than I can shoot at 600. All factory. 26 inch tapered barrel. Other than that monster 50mm scope it looks like your average truck, hunt gun. Plus a cheek piece.
If I stick with conventional weight bullets and proven loads, I or a better shooter, can hunt with it well out to 600.
A lot goes on between 400 to 600 yards. So you need that 180 grain projectile. The 300 wm has plenty of case capacity.
It has a short neck but I have not had any problems unless I set the shoulder back too far.
If you have room in the arsenal, I recommend having a 300 wm.
 
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I lived in the little town of Cache OK, just outside the Wichita Mountains Wildlife refuge for over 50 years. I started applying for an elk tag when I turned 18 and every year since. The first drawings were held in the Cache High School gym and you had to be present to be eligible to draw. While I have drawn numerous special hunt tags over the years, including the coveted antelope tag, I have never drawn the elk tag. I did get to play host to numerous friends and family members who were lucky enough to draw. I did the next best thing, I volunteered to help with the hunt for many years until my first knee surgery. Over the years, I got to see a wide variety of hunters and rifles including a 79 year old lady shooting a Savage model 99 in 300 Savage who took a cow elk at 175 yards and a man in a wheel chair shooting his dad's old 30-06 to take a nice 6x6 at 40 yards. My job as a helper was to help the hunter get their elk out of the field and gather data and tissues samples for the biologist. These animals are big, as big as any western state elk, according to the biologist. The majority of the hunters were overwhelmed and unprepared for the size of these animals and struggled with field dressing. I saw first hand the terminal performance of an assortment of different caliber/bullet combinations when field dressing multiple elk a day. Like the OP said, minimum cartridge requirement is 270 or larger with a 5 round limit per day. I worked closely with the biologist to gather data including caliber/ bullet weight, number of shots fired, number and location of bullet hits, and shot distance along with heart, liver and fetus tissue samples. Most of my volunteer time was between 1988 and 1996. Stats and norms didn't change much during my time. Most popular cartridges were 30-06, 7mm mag, and 300 Win mag in that order. Bullet weights were 180, 175, and 180 respectively. Average shot distance was 160 yards (corrected) This was before rangefinders and a good many range estimations we grossly exaggerated, part of my duties were to give realistic range estimates for data gathering. This data was from hunters that I personally assisted and interviewed, I did not meet and collect data from every hunter. This hunt is usually a 3 1/2 day hunt that is comprised of multiple hunt units with boundaries. You are required to stay within your unit, average unit size was slightly less than 1 square mile. The hunt coordinators can move you to a different unit at their discretion based on harvest quotas. This is a tough hunt with steep, rocky, extremely rugged terrain of oak brush, boulders and lots of grass. While a 1k shot would definitely be possible, given the limiting unit parameters, the opportunity would be unlikely to happen. I'm certainly in favor of expanding the selection of available rifles for whatever opportunity may arise. Given my experience with the area and the hunt itself, my vote would be for the 7PRC in a easy to carry weight. It is more than up to the task and is very flexible for other target species. There will be lots of walking (especially if you draw a walk-in hunt), hiking, crawling and climbing with some sit and glass times. All units are a bit different and hunting techniques will vary from unit to unit. The trick is moving from one vantage point to the next to cover the unseen folds in the land. Limited hunt time, weather concerns and a half day before scouting opportunity means a fast paced hunt. Good luck with the draw!
 
1moredeer said:
I lived in the little town of Cache OK, just outside the Wichita Mountains Wildlife refuge for over 50 years. I started applying for an elk tag when I turned 18 and every year since. The first drawings were held in the Cache High School gym and you had to be present to be eligible to draw. While I have drawn numerous special hunt tags over the years, including the coveted antelope tag, I have never drawn the elk tag. I did get to play host to numerous friends and family members who were lucky enough to draw. I did the next best thing, I volunteered to help with the hunt for many years until my first knee surgery. Over the years, I got to see a wide variety of hunters and rifles including a 79 year old lady shooting a Savage model 99 in 300 Savage who took a cow elk at 175 yards and a man in a wheel chair shooting his dad's old 30-06 to take a nice 6x6 at 40 yards. My job as a helper was to help the hunter get their elk out of the field and gather data and tissues samples for the biologist. These animals are big, as big as any western state elk, according to the biologist. The majority of the hunters were overwhelmed and unprepared for the size of these animals and struggled with field dressing. I saw first hand the terminal performance of an assortment of different caliber/bullet combinations when field dressing multiple elk a day. Like the OP said, minimum cartridge requirement is 270 or larger with a 5 round limit per day. I worked closely with the biologist to gather data including caliber/ bullet weight, number of shots fired, number and location of bullet hits, and shot distance along with heart, liver and fetus tissue samples. Most of my volunteer time was between 1988 and 1996. Stats and norms didn't change much during my time. Most popular cartridges were 30-06, 7mm mag, and 300 Win mag in that order. Bullet weights were 180, 175, and 180 respectively. Average shot distance was 160 yards (corrected) This was before rangefinders and a good many range estimations we grossly exaggerated, part of my duties were to give realistic range estimates for data gathering. This data was from hunters that I personally assisted and interviewed, I did not meet and collect data from every hunter. This hunt is usually a 3 1/2 day hunt that is comprised of multiple hunt units with boundaries. You are required to stay within your unit, average unit size was slightly less than 1 square mile. The hunt coordinators can move you to a different unit at their discretion based on harvest quotas. This is a tough hunt with steep, rocky, extremely rugged terrain of oak brush, boulders and lots of grass. While a 1k shot would definitely be possible, given the limiting unit parameters, the opportunity would be unlikely to happen. I'm certainly in favor of expanding the selection of available rifles for whatever opportunity may arise. Given my experience with the area and the hunt itself, my vote would be for the 7PRC in a easy to carry weight. It is more than up to the task and is very flexible for other target species. There will be lots of walking (especially if you draw a walk-in hunt), hiking, crawling and climbing with some sit and glass times. All units are a bit different and hunting techniques will vary from unit to unit. The trick is moving from one vantage point to the next to cover the unseen folds in the land. Limited hunt time, weather concerns and a half day before scouting opportunity means a fast paced hunt. Good luck with the draw!
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But you gain very little, if any from OTC 7prc cartridge vs the 280ai, 7SAUM, or 7mm Rem Mag aside from difficult to find, expensive brass and requiring a WHOLE LOT more powder, recoil and muzzle blast with little gains.
 
TC338 said:
I'm looking into my first magnum rifle. I'm needing a rifle at least 7mm in caliber, just in case I draw an Oklahoma Elk tag, the require at least .277 diameter to hunt elk. I'm wanting a rifle I can shoot bout to 1000 yards on game effectively. I'm planning to hand load, but would like factory ammo available as an option. This will be mainly a sit and shoot rifle so weight is not an issue. I currently carry a 13lb 6.5 all the time. What chambering would you guys recommend? If you have a rifle recommendation post that as well.
Thanks ahead of time.
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Curious here but what are your odds of drawing the tag?
 
manitou said:
But you gain very little, if any from OTC 7prc cartridge vs the 280ai, 7SAUM, or 7mm Rem Mag aside from difficult to find, expensive brass and requiring a WHOLE LOT more powder, recoil and muzzle blast with little gains.
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Earlier in the discussion the OP stated he was"leaning" towards a 7mm. Based on that statement and the 1000 yd projected use, I suggested the 7PRC. While all of the cartridges you suggested would absolutely fit within his parameters and be a fantastic choice, they also have their own shortcomings to contend with. The 280AI, not exactly an over the counter choice. The 7 SAUM, I really like this one but many say it's losing the battle to stay viable. The 7mm mag, I have to admit I just don't like it, i don't like the belt, the recoil or the noise so I personally wouldn't recommend it. All of these would be a defendable choice for the task at hand, it comes down to hair splitting and personal preference.
 
dogz said:
Curious here but what are your odds of drawing the tag?
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1moredeer said:
I lived in the little town of Cache OK, just outside the Wichita Mountains Wildlife refuge for over 50 years. I started applying for an elk tag when I turned 18 and every year since. The first drawings were held in the Cache High School gym and you had to be present to be eligible to draw. While I have drawn numerous special hunt tags over the years, including the coveted antelope tag, I have never drawn the elk tag. I did get to play host to numerous friends and family members who were lucky enough to draw. I did the next best thing, I volunteered to help with the hunt for many years until my first knee surgery. Over the years, I got to see a wide variety of hunters and rifles including a 79 year old lady shooting a Savage model 99 in 300 Savage who took a cow elk at 175 yards and a man in a wheel chair shooting his dad's old 30-06 to take a nice 6x6 at 40 yards. My job as a helper was to help the hunter get their elk out of the field and gather data and tissues samples for the biologist. These animals are big, as big as any western state elk, according to the biologist. The majority of the hunters were overwhelmed and unprepared for the size of these animals and struggled with field dressing. I saw first hand the terminal performance of an assortment of different caliber/bullet combinations when field dressing multiple elk a day. Like the OP said, minimum cartridge requirement is 270 or larger with a 5 round limit per day. I worked closely with the biologist to gather data including caliber/ bullet weight, number of shots fired, number and location of bullet hits, and shot distance along with heart, liver and fetus tissue samples. Most of my volunteer time was between 1988 and 1996. Stats and norms didn't change much during my time. Most popular cartridges were 30-06, 7mm mag, and 300 Win mag in that order. Bullet weights were 180, 175, and 180 respectively. Average shot distance was 160 yards (corrected) This was before rangefinders and a good many range estimations we grossly exaggerated, part of my duties were to give realistic range estimates for data gathering. This data was from hunters that I personally assisted and interviewed, I did not meet and collect data from every hunter. This hunt is usually a 3 1/2 day hunt that is comprised of multiple hunt units with boundaries. You are required to stay within your unit, average unit size was slightly less than 1 square mile. The hunt coordinators can move you to a different unit at their discretion based on harvest quotas. This is a tough hunt with steep, rocky, extremely rugged terrain of oak brush, boulders and lots of grass. While a 1k shot would definitely be possible, given the limiting unit parameters, the opportunity would be unlikely to happen. I'm certainly in favor of expanding the selection of available rifles for whatever opportunity may arise. Given my experience with the area and the hunt itself, my vote would be for the 7PRC in a easy to carry weight. It is more than up to the task and is very flexible for other target species. There will be lots of walking (especially if you draw a walk-in hunt), hiking, crawling and climbing with some sit and glass times. All units are a bit different and hunting techniques will vary from unit to unit. The trick is moving from one vantage point to the next to cover the unseen folds in the land. Limited hunt time, weather concerns and a half day before scouting opportunity means a fast paced hunt. Good luck with the draw!
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That's some good info right there!!!! Thank you sir!!!
 
TC338 said:
I'm looking into my first magnum rifle. I'm needing a rifle at least 7mm in caliber, just in case I draw an Oklahoma Elk tag, the require at least .277 diameter to hunt elk. I'm wanting a rifle I can shoot bout to 1000 yards on game effectively. I'm planning to hand load, but would like factory ammo available as an option. This will be mainly a sit and shoot rifle so weight is not an issue. I currently carry a 13lb 6.5 all the time. What chambering would you guys recommend? If you have a rifle recommendation post that as well.
Thanks ahead of time.
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I would say the first thing to do is commit to load development and hand loading. Factory ammunition's sucks so I would forget about 1000-Yards.
 

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