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Want an AR15, what's the best out of box?

Not rying to start an argument, but I do not put much stock in "The Chart", nor do most of the people I shoot with (and I shoot IDPA with some 3 gun). Calling them "hobby guns" is also kind of childish and petty. Many people shoot guns not on the chart for years in competition and do very well.

There are many fine rifles that are not on the chart, it's all about what you want to do with it.

For an affordable but quality rifle Stag or RRA are good manufacturers.

That said, if you want "mil-spec" and having one on the chart is important to you then by all means do it. It's not THAT much more expensive.

I had a 6920 that I sold during the 08 election because I got it cheap and made a killing, it was a great gun. I waited until the sell-off shortly after and bought a Stag model2 and an RRA Varminter, they are both good rifles but not on the chart.

You cannot however go wrong with a 6920.
 
I haven't been here for some time been over at the 6.8 forums.

I don't know if you have decided on anything yet but you might want to consider building your own, they are very easy basically Legos for grownups. To build one you will need some basic mechanical inclination and about 100-150 bucks in tools, mainly for the upper assembly. Or you could buy a complete upper assembly and build your own lower about 30 bucks in tools. There are quite a few shops building high quality uppers with very reasonable price tags and all are Mil-Spec.

My first build took me 5 hours mainly because I kept taking it apart and re-assembling it. I was sure I was doing something wrong because it was so easy. I have since built 5 more and am now taking around 45 min from a box of parts to an assembled rifle with optics mounted and bore sighted. Not blowing my own horn just saying it is pretty easy. By the way all the my rifles are capable of sub MOA and are absolutely reliable. You'll want an assembly manual or a DVD which ever format you prefer. I use the "Complete AR-15 Assembly Guide" by Walt Kuleck with Clint McKee.

Below is a list of suppliers I have used most of them also offer complete uppers and rifles and all are exceptionally quality.
YHM, Yankee Hill Machine Co., Inc. | Makers of High Quality Firearms, Accessories & Sound Suppressors
Rainier Arms™ | Specialist in High End AR15s/M16s,Stocks,Grips,Parts,Accessories & much more
Ammunition, Magazines, Rifle Parts, Bulk Ammo and Rifle Accessories - Palmetto State Armory
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Del ton Rifle Kits & Del ton AR 15 Rifles | Gun Supplies & Gun Accessories from Del-ton, Inc.
Innovative Tactical Systems LLC, Made in USA, AR 15 uppers, piston operated tactical upper, 5.56, 6.8spc, custom precision barrels This guy is great
AR-15 Parts Including Complete Uppers, Lowers, Lower Parts Kits, Triggers, Magazines, and much more!
Spikes Tactical

There are a lot more but I would start with these. I would stay away from DPMS rifles unless you are willing to spend the money to replace most of the internal parts.

Here is a pic of my first build. If you need any more info PM me I'll be glad to help.

2012-04-21_16-37-36_924-1.jpg
 
I haven't been here for some time been over at the 6.8 forums.

I don't know if you have decided on anything yet but you might want to consider building your own, they are very easy basically Legos for grownups. To build one you will need some basic mechanical inclination and about 100-150 bucks in tools, mainly for the upper assembly. Or you could buy a complete upper assembly and build your own lower about 30 bucks in tools. There are quite a few shops building high quality uppers with very reasonable price tags and all are Mil-Spec.

My first build took me 5 hours mainly because I kept taking it apart and re-assembling it. I was sure I was doing something wrong because it was so easy. I have since built 5 more and am now taking around 45 min from a box of parts to an assembled rifle with optics mounted and bore sighted. Not blowing my own horn just saying it is pretty easy. By the way all the my rifles are capable of sub MOA and are absolutely reliable. You'll want an assembly manual or a DVD which ever format you prefer. I use the "Complete AR-15 Assembly Guide" by Walt Kuleck with Clint McKee.

Below is a list of suppliers I have used most of them also offer complete uppers and rifles and all are exceptionally quality.
YHM, Yankee Hill Machine Co., Inc. | Makers of High Quality Firearms, Accessories & Sound Suppressors
Rainier Arms™ | Specialist in High End AR15s/M16s,Stocks,Grips,Parts,Accessories & much more
Ammunition, Magazines, Rifle Parts, Bulk Ammo and Rifle Accessories - Palmetto State Armory
Home
Del ton Rifle Kits & Del ton AR 15 Rifles | Gun Supplies & Gun Accessories from Del-ton, Inc.
Innovative Tactical Systems LLC, Made in USA, AR 15 uppers, piston operated tactical upper, 5.56, 6.8spc, custom precision barrels This guy is great
AR-15 Parts Including Complete Uppers, Lowers, Lower Parts Kits, Triggers, Magazines, and much more!
Spikes Tactical

There are a lot more but I would start with these. I would stay away from DPMS rifles unless you are willing to spend the money to replace most of the internal parts.

Here is a pic of my first build. If you need any more info PM me I'll be glad to help.

2012-04-21_16-37-36_924-1.jpg



That looks great man. Thanks for all of the good information!! I really appreciate it.
 
That looks great man. Thanks for all of the good information!! I really appreciate it.
Your welcome. The pic is my hunting rifle in 6.8mm SPC basically a .270 lite with no recoil and great accuracy. It will handle a fairly wide range of bullet weights from 85g up to the 140g Berger VLD's which I just started playing with. The first loading of the Bergers are producing 2380 fps with around 1800 fpe at the muzzle. You can push some of the lighter bullets to 3000 + fps with no pressure signs.
 
When you ask a question like that you tend to get a wide variety of OPINIONS. With that said, the only ones I have any experience with is the colt I was issued in the Marine Corps and the AR15 I built for myself. My personal rifle is a combination of a C3 defense lower and a Rock River Arms predator pursuit upper. It's very accurate and not that heavy. Before you figure in the price of optics it cost me right at 900.00

If you stick with brands of known quality, I suspect you will do just fine. Most AR pattern rifles assembled by the usual well known suspects will out shoot the nut behind the trigger.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU STAY AWAY FROM THE BOTTOM FEEDERS LIKE HESSE AND VULCAN IF YOU ENJOY INJURY FREE SHOOTING!!!! There are a few others but their names escape me right now.
 
Out of the box, no mods: LMT, Noveske, DD, or LaRue. Close your eyes and pic one, can't go wrong. And hey, after six months eliminate the previous choice and do it again - one is none, two is one!
 
I built my own last summer, well..all but the lower. I didn't want to screw around with that. I put it together for about $800 before taxes, not including the 1.5x5 Leupold and PEPR mount I put on there. The upper is a 18" Black Hole Weaponry Barrel with a Mid Length gas system and YHM rail and Flip up front sight gas block, and Rock River BCG. The Lower is made my Aero Precision and the buffer tube, stock and pistol grip are made by Magpul. The BUIS is made by Matech and I think it is what is being used on the Colt rifles...I could be wrong on that??? I bought all my parts minus the Magpul pieces at Surplus Ammo and Arms. They are a bunch of assholes to be blunt and take forever to get back to you, but I did find them to have the best prices. They also have pre-assembled Uppers and Lowers with pretty much the same specs I built mine with. Im not saying my way was the best way, but for my first AR, and putting to together for the price I did, I am ecstatic with it!
 
The best out of the box value and performance wise is the Smith and Wesson M&P15 Sport, I am running mine with a 6-24x50 bushnell scope and frequently am shooting prairie dogs over 200 yards away 1 shot 1 kill. At around $600 for the performance and accuracy you cannot beat it.gun)
 
I'm very happy with my RRA 6.8 M4. It shoots .8ish moa with 110gr hornady factory ammo(cheapest I can find) Might even do better if I ever get off my butt and try some home brews.

I haven't had the gun fail on me. However I havent shot loads of ammo through it b/c it isnt that easy to find. I've shot about 300 rounds through it without a hick up and I have not cleaned it once, which I don't plan on it. I want to see how many rounds it will shoot without a hick-up.
 
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