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(Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions - they were most insightful, and provided a good amount of insight into your unfortunate dealings with USO.)
no problem a forum is a place to show opignions and facts
Only a small number of shooters (and probably far fewer military teams) use USO products due to cost. A custom made item almost always costs more than a mass production item. I think Loopy is the most used because it offers the most bang for the buck - it offers a a lot of capability, great customer service (in the U.S. anyway), good glass, good construction, etc.
I have often contact with military guy and be sure that when compare a cost a small tiny missile as the Stinger , the price of a 2500 USD scope in nothing important .
((Most civilians and almost all military purchasing decisions are based on cost. Why spend $2500 or more on a custom scope (like USO) when a far cheaper mass prodcution item will do the job just fine ))
cost is nothing if you don t link cost to quality , hight price is nothing more than a fashion I have SN10 ( faulty and new ) and some IOR 10x42 and 16x42 the USO is more thantwice as IOR so where is the diffrence in quality ??
(USO's role in the marketplace (as I understand it - I am not an employee) is to provide CUSTOM optics - stuff for the guys who want/need 300 MOA scopes, big objective lenses, etc. Most shooters don't need this level of equipment, but for those that do, there is only one place to go - USO. This is why their catalog has so many different options.)
I agree but only quality is delivery and not just the look
(You recommend that USO start producing scopes on set delivery schedules etc. - this defeats the purpose of being a cutom prodcut provider, and makes them start to compete against the mass market giants like Loopy, S&B, NXS, etc. I don't think there is enough demand for their products (nor desire of manaegment's behalf) to try and compete against the mass market guys - this is not their business model nor strategy.=
making simple is surely not the USO strategy , as small company make a industrial product and hight product that not easy but if the small company wnat to make more malor company with hudge range of model there is two aswer
they are the very best in this world
they just advertissement as WE ARE THE BEST AND WE CAN
((As far as the SN10, if you don't want to add on the extra options (i.e. lit reticle, ergo obj, etc.) you don't have to - just because you have the options doesn't mean you must purchase them - besides, some folks won't buy a scope w/out a lit reticle, other guys won't buy one if it does have one - this way, USO has both bases covered.))
exactly that I say : if you want to beat a challenegr do BETTER and simple and BE ABLE to deliver BETTER Than you challenger I purchase scope not pages of catalog
(Regarding the 50x, two inch tube, 260 MOA, etc. questions, I think the answer to all of those questioons is that they are useful (to a point and everyone has a different opinion of where that point is) in ultra long range shooting. I think 50X is overkill because mirage eats your lunch at long range over 30X or so, but more magnification comes in handy, more MOA's mean more use of your given rounds ballistic curve, and more rand at which you can be accurate. Two inch (that's freakin massive!) tubes and big objectives gather more light and let you use the scope in poor lighting conditions, etc.°
as I say in my previous post I am a long shooter and enjoy long shooting
Canyou explain
how you do or how I can do to solve mirage problem with 50 power scope !
how you do to lock and secure a 4 pound scope on a receiver to hold the recoil ( even 8/40 srews seem tinny )
What ammo you use or what range you shoot with 300 moa or even 260 moa except mortar shooting ?
and more .....
In closing, thanks for sharing your experiences with the forum. I hope your dealings with the other companies you listed are more rewarding and less troublesome.
I have since years very very fews problems with guns or optics company that easy to understand than if a company is a real company proud to their product they doesn t want to put customer in troubles so except USO and Lost River all OK for me
strange thing that USO and Lost river seem both product things with so amazing performances but so amazing that seem difficult to get an evidence of these amazing performances
dont forget that long range shooting and making love are two hobbies that can be made by someone in front of their PC screen
but that far better in reality
good shooting
DAN TEC
(Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions - they were most insightful, and provided a good amount of insight into your unfortunate dealings with USO.)
no problem a forum is a place to show opignions and facts
Only a small number of shooters (and probably far fewer military teams) use USO products due to cost. A custom made item almost always costs more than a mass production item. I think Loopy is the most used because it offers the most bang for the buck - it offers a a lot of capability, great customer service (in the U.S. anyway), good glass, good construction, etc.
I have often contact with military guy and be sure that when compare a cost a small tiny missile as the Stinger , the price of a 2500 USD scope in nothing important .
((Most civilians and almost all military purchasing decisions are based on cost. Why spend $2500 or more on a custom scope (like USO) when a far cheaper mass prodcution item will do the job just fine ))
cost is nothing if you don t link cost to quality , hight price is nothing more than a fashion I have SN10 ( faulty and new ) and some IOR 10x42 and 16x42 the USO is more thantwice as IOR so where is the diffrence in quality ??
(USO's role in the marketplace (as I understand it - I am not an employee) is to provide CUSTOM optics - stuff for the guys who want/need 300 MOA scopes, big objective lenses, etc. Most shooters don't need this level of equipment, but for those that do, there is only one place to go - USO. This is why their catalog has so many different options.)
I agree but only quality is delivery and not just the look
(You recommend that USO start producing scopes on set delivery schedules etc. - this defeats the purpose of being a cutom prodcut provider, and makes them start to compete against the mass market giants like Loopy, S&B, NXS, etc. I don't think there is enough demand for their products (nor desire of manaegment's behalf) to try and compete against the mass market guys - this is not their business model nor strategy.=
making simple is surely not the USO strategy , as small company make a industrial product and hight product that not easy but if the small company wnat to make more malor company with hudge range of model there is two aswer
they are the very best in this world
they just advertissement as WE ARE THE BEST AND WE CAN
((As far as the SN10, if you don't want to add on the extra options (i.e. lit reticle, ergo obj, etc.) you don't have to - just because you have the options doesn't mean you must purchase them - besides, some folks won't buy a scope w/out a lit reticle, other guys won't buy one if it does have one - this way, USO has both bases covered.))
exactly that I say : if you want to beat a challenegr do BETTER and simple and BE ABLE to deliver BETTER Than you challenger I purchase scope not pages of catalog
(Regarding the 50x, two inch tube, 260 MOA, etc. questions, I think the answer to all of those questioons is that they are useful (to a point and everyone has a different opinion of where that point is) in ultra long range shooting. I think 50X is overkill because mirage eats your lunch at long range over 30X or so, but more magnification comes in handy, more MOA's mean more use of your given rounds ballistic curve, and more rand at which you can be accurate. Two inch (that's freakin massive!) tubes and big objectives gather more light and let you use the scope in poor lighting conditions, etc.°
as I say in my previous post I am a long shooter and enjoy long shooting
Canyou explain
how you do or how I can do to solve mirage problem with 50 power scope !
how you do to lock and secure a 4 pound scope on a receiver to hold the recoil ( even 8/40 srews seem tinny )
What ammo you use or what range you shoot with 300 moa or even 260 moa except mortar shooting ?
and more .....
In closing, thanks for sharing your experiences with the forum. I hope your dealings with the other companies you listed are more rewarding and less troublesome.
I have since years very very fews problems with guns or optics company that easy to understand than if a company is a real company proud to their product they doesn t want to put customer in troubles so except USO and Lost River all OK for me
strange thing that USO and Lost river seem both product things with so amazing performances but so amazing that seem difficult to get an evidence of these amazing performances
dont forget that long range shooting and making love are two hobbies that can be made by someone in front of their PC screen
but that far better in reality
good shooting
DAN TEC
