Reloader 26 in 6.5 creedmoor

[Creedmoor shooter]

Looking back through the thread it's obvious you just enjoy arguing, you've been provided Bergers data and many others showing they have loads even up to 49(not mine I ended at 48). So enjoy your night and I'll leave it that.

He just somehow can't stand the fact of a 6.5 creed producing some really good velocity from a fairly small case. Rl-26 responds really well in the creed case. This guy is basically calling all if us liars and we all can't read pressure signs.

 

[codyadams]

Cody it's neither and please don't think it is anything other than the statement that it is. If you look back at your post 413 you will see I gave it a like. Just saying every gun is different and as long as everyone uses the common sense rules of loading you won't get into trouble. Everyone that doesn't own a Creed and rl26 think we are only getting the speed we get by being way over pressure. That's simply not the case. It just is what it is. I've only had 1 Creed that didn't do 2900 with 140s and it was a 22 inch savage. It didn't pressure out early either it is just a real slow gun. Factory 143eldx ammo was shooting just over 2500fps. I did eventually get that gun up to 2800 with a 123. Sad.
Shep

That's what I was hoping ha ha sometimes interpretation via text is a PITA!!

Ya it is pretty crazy what these little cartridges do, I have loaded for two, one of my buddies rifles I loaded for was really slow and had bad pressure, that ruger I mentioned, with factory Berger ammo it had heavy bolt lift and left shiny obvious ejector marks, did it on factory hornady ammo too. I was loading up some 156's for it, and with rl26 was getting stout pressure signs at only 2575 fps. When I worked up, the brass that hit 2575 expanded the primer pocket so much it wouldn't hold a primer. This was the second fireing (first was factory round) from a Lapua SRP piece of brass!! 140's would only do 2700 before the same thing, and this was a 24" tube. The other 22" savage creed I have hit 2875 fps with RL16 no problem, still no pressure signs. I told my buddy to rebarrel or get rid of that rifle. It wasn't even safe with factory ammo.

 

[25WSM]

This slow savage my friend has shoots little tiny clover leaf groups so he's keeping it regardless of the speed. I would have dumped it right quick.
Shep

 

[highdrum]

That's what I was hoping ha ha sometimes interpretation via text is a PITA!!

Ya it is pretty crazy what these little cartridges do, I have loaded for two, one of my buddies rifles I loaded for was really slow and had bad pressure, that ruger I mentioned, with factory Berger ammo it had heavy bolt lift and left shiny obvious ejector marks, did it on factory hornady ammo too. I was loading up some 156's for it, and with rl26 was getting stout pressure signs at only 2575 fps. When I worked up, the brass that hit 2575 expanded the primer pocket so much it wouldn't hold a primer. This was the second fireing (first was factory round) from a Lapua SRP piece of brass!! 140's would only do 2700 before the same thing, and this was a 24" tube. The other 22" savage creed I have hit 2875 fps with RL16 no problem, still no pressure signs. I told my buddy to rebarrel or get rid of that rifle. It wasn't even safe with factory ammo.

Was it a howa by chance? I had a howa 6.5prc I purchase as a cheap truck gun. Factory ammo was running 2750 with HEAVY psi signs I thought maybe it would get better with break in cleaning, 2 boxes of ammo and probably 300 patches of cleaning, still problems so I got a refund.

 

[Stgraves260]

Don't like arguing. You just can't put 49 or 48 grains of powder in something that can only hold 45 grains. That is with a 140 to 143 grain bullet. That's why I said. Load at your own risk.

 

[25WSM]

Wow 2750 from a prc. That's pretty darn slow. Some barrels just are not good. That's crazy slow.
Shep

 

[codyadams]

Looking back through the thread it's obvious you just enjoy arguing, you've been provided Bergers data and many others showing they have loads even up to 49(not mine I ended at 48). So enjoy your night and I'll leave it that.

He just somehow can't stand the fact of a 6.5 creed producing some really good velocity from a fairly small case. Rl-26 responds really well in the creed case. This guy is basically calling all if us liars and we all can't read pressure signs.

Easy guys! It is easy to see how one could be concerned with the velocities that are observed with a creed and rl26, I myself have a .260 AI with a 29" barrel, and I maxed out at 3070-3100 with that using rl26 and the 147, and currently run the 156 at 2940, max with my components is right about 3000. So when a cartridge with about 5 grains, nearly 10% less capacity, and a 3" shorter barrel is nipping on my heels, it really makes me wonder.

However, I know what it is.....I seat my 156's at 2.950" to feed in my AICS mag, and many with a creed are very close to that OAL with the same bullet. For the 156 to be optimal in my .260 AI case, my OAL would be about 3.090, that puts the bearing surface just up into the neck. That is .140" of powder space I am not able to use. Now if he is limited to 2.870", that means (since his case is very similar to mine) that there is .220", or nearly a quarter of an inch of powder space that is unusable with a 156! That will make all the difference in the world, and there will still be significant room taken up with a 140, and at 2.870", will make the useable powder capacity of the .260 AI/terminator nearly equal to that of a 6.5 creed, answering the concerning question.

To Stgraves260, if you get around to it, put a bainey box (3.110) in your rifle, seat your bullets out, and that 140 will be well over 3100 fps. I was getting 3140 from my 29" .260 AI, and I didn't have a +P throat, just 3" more barrel. These cartridges nearly need a medium length action with these long bullets!! When I burn my barrel out, I am going to put that box in mine, and go back to BDL set up.

 

[codyadams]

Was it a howa by chance? I had a howa 6.5prc I purchase as a cheap truck gun. Factory ammo was running 2750 with HEAVY psi signs I thought maybe it would get better with break in cleaning, 2 boxes of ammo and probably 300 patches of cleaning, still problems so I got a refund.

No, this one was a Ruger Hawkeye predator. Nice rifle, shot about half MOA with a developed load, but had to run stupid slow velocities to be safe.

 

[25WSM]

48 grains of rl26 fit easy without a drop tube. Just pour it in and it fits. Don't know where you come up with 45 grains of max fill. That is simply incorrect. Have you personally put 48 grains of rl26 into a Creed case? I have over 3000 times. Personally burned through 2 1000 yard barrels and loaded hundreds for hunting for friends and myself. I'm at the tail end of my 2nd box of 2000 147eldms and all but a hand full have been run through creeds. And almost all of them have been with rl26. I have a little knowledge on the subject. The information that is being talked about on this thread is correct from what I've read so far. My accuracy load in my 1000 yard guns go 2975 from a 29 inch barrel. They will go over 3000. From a 24 inch barrel I have never got to 3000 but 2900 to 2925 is what I get at 48 gr. Don't know what else to say. Drink the Cool-aid its good.
Shep

 

[Tidus56]

Don't like arguing. You just can't put 49 or 48 grains of powder in something that can only hold 45 grains. That is with a 140 to 143 grain bullet. That's why I said. Load at your own risk.

Berger lists 49.8 Rl26, 47.7 with IMR 7828 ssc and a 135 grain bullet.
I took the condescending second half of post #428 as someone who wants to argue. My bad if I took it wrong. I have loaded for a long time and haven't had any issues but I will continue to be careful.

 

[Stgraves260]

Easy guys! It is easy to see how one could be concerned with the velocities that are observed with a creed and rl26, I myself have a .260 AI with a 29" barrel, and I maxed out at 3070-3100 with that using rl26 and the 147, and currently run the 156 at 2940, max with my components is right about 3000. So when a cartridge with about 5 grains, nearly 10% less capacity, and a 3" shorter barrel is nipping on my heels, it really makes me wonder.

However, I know what it is.....I seat my 156's at 2.950" to feed in my AICS mag, and many with a creed are very close to that OAL with the same bullet. For the 156 to be optimal in my .260 AI case, my OAL would be about 3.090, that puts the bearing surface just up into the neck. That is .140" of powder space I am not able to use. Now if he is limited to 2.870", that means (since his case is very similar to mine) that there is .220", or nearly a quarter of an inch of powder space that is unusable with a 156! That will make all the difference in the world, and there will still be significant room taken up with a 140, and at 2.870", will make the useable powder capacity of the .260 AI/terminator nearly equal to that of a 6.5 creed, answering the concerning question.

To Stgraves260, if you get around to it, put a bainey box (3.110) in your rifle, seat your bullets out, and that 140 will be well over 3100 fps. I was getting 3140 from my 29" .260 AI, and I didn't have a +P throat, just 3" more barrel. These cartridges nearly need a medium length action with these long bullets!! When I burn my barrel out, I am going to put that box in mine, and go back to BDL set up.

I'm just wanting people to be careful. I have a 260 Rem and a 6.5 CM. I can't get my 6.5 CM even close to my 260 Rem. Im thanking of turning my 260 Remington into a 260 Terminator. The only thang is I all ready have a 6.5 CM so from what I'm reading is just put reloader 26 in my 6.5 CM and I'll have a 260 Terminator. With 5 less grains powder. It's just I've been reloading for over 30 years. It would be like comparing my 260 Rem to a 6.5-284. Just put reloader 26 in my 260 then I'll have a 6.5-284. LoL. All I'm asking is for people to be careful. Do your homework. Get some reloading books. It takes years to learn what some people on here have done. My 30 plus's years of reloading and I'm still learning. Take care.

 

[Stgraves260]

Berger lists 49.8 Rl26, 47.7 with IMR 7828 ssc and a 135 grain bullet.
I took the condescending second half of post #428 as someone who wants to argue. My bad if I took it wrong. I have loaded for a long time and haven't had any issues but I will continue to be careful.

I don't have the new second Edition Berger reloading book. I only have the first edition. It doesn't have reloader 26 in it. I'll have to get that. Thanks.

 

[25WSM]

Rl26 isn't exclusive to the Creed. If you put it in a 260 it will rock. Put it in your terminator and it will rock more. Rl26 is a high energy powder and doesn't behave the way it should for being a slow powder. The Creed just responds very good to it. Some cases get a 200fps jump some get 50fps. As mentioned before your throat length plays a very important role in how much you can safely use also. That's why I like the Tikkas with a long box for the 147s. Throated where I like them they won't fit in a short action. But I would say a 260terminator with rl26 will beat the Creed by at least 100fps if they both were throated the same. There is a reason rl26 is called pixie dust and ground unicorn horns. It's down right magical in some cartridges. I'm sure everyone was safe working up to that 48 gr load that shoots so good in so many guns.
Shep

 

[Stgraves260]

I'm just wanting people to be careful. I have a 260 Rem and a 6.5 CM. I can't get my 6.5 CM even close to my 260 Rem. Im thanking of turning my 260 Remington into a 260 Terminator. The only thang is I all ready have a 6.5 CM so from what I'm reading is just put reloader 26 in my 6.5 CM and I'll have a 260 Terminator. With 5 less grains powder. It's just I've been reloading for over 30 years. It would be like comparing my 260 Rem to a 6.5-284. Just put reloader 26 in my 260 then I'll have a 6.5-284. LoL. All I'm asking is for people to be careful. Do your homework. Get some reloading books. It takes years to learn what some people on here have done. My 30 plus's years of reloading and I'm still learning. Take care.

Just looked at that Bainey Mag. WoW 3.110 inside length. That would make a difference. I have my COAL at 2.820 with my AI Mag. I loaded some up at 2.840 but had some feeding issues now and then. Thanks for the tip.